Hello. I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance’s newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.
For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as “Triagonal” and various other aliases. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn’t have access to my main account.
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Their modus operandi is this:
- They’ll do/say reprehensible things.
- When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it “slander”. When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying “you’re taking it out of context” “you cannot speak for my intentions” , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they’ve used for years. Don’t fall for it.
- They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don’t look into the links that got posted.
There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying “where did I say anything about a shooter”. Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they’ve said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn’t on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.
Here’s a screenshot of them telling a trans person to “do what the person in Nashville did”. They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word
Here’s the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.
There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links “slander” and saying “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions”.
Here’s them trolling about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions!”.
They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is “being targeted for no reason” hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they’re being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they’re doing to be banned, not because they’re actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.
They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for “trolling”
Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316
Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being “inspired” by those usernames, omitting the fact they’ve 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They’ll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they’re impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that’s named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are “denying DID exists”.
They report any posts that aren’t on their side, claiming they’re being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?
edit: They’re now in this thread saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link
edit 2: gaslighting + sealioning in the comments https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12630325
I’m not saying that everyone should block LW. I’m saying that if one has an ethical objection to LW, it’s on them to block the server. If they don’t want to block the server because of its size, then it’s also on them to either promote alternatives to LW or build your own.
No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.
This is not true no matter how much people like you want others to believe it. The fact is that in the fediverse any server that has a significant IS to big to block, else userbase and interaction will suffer.
To say this isn’t the case is to spread misinformation, as people who follow such advice will notice they have a much poorer Fediverse experience. This also does indeed apply to being banned from those large servers and communities as well.
The second biggest Mastodon server is near universally defederated.
The biggest Pleroma server is also universally defederated.
You probably don’t know what these servers are, and that’s a good thing because the actual fact is defederating them improves the user experience for everyone else.
Until July 2023, the biggest Lemmy server was lemmy.ml. It has now found itself defederated by many servers. If lemmy.ml was too big to defederate, how did it find itself defederated?
The myth of “big server = undefederatable”—that is misinformation. Big servers find themselves defederated all the time. See also: Gab.
These are Mastodon servers, the rules of the game change dramatically once you bring in Lemmy and communities hosted on servers. At that point it becomes about active communities holding slices of the pie, as in amount of users participating in communites, size of those communities, and the size of the instance they are hosted on. To compare this situation to Mastodon servers which are user-centric, don’t have community hubs, and are based solely on individuals is to compare apples to oranges, or just trying to mince words.
Now you seem to think that defederation of lemmy.ml is a big gotcha though they aren’t actually very large all instances considered, and have been shrinking. The bigger test would be defederation of a larger instance like lemmy.world which has been done with wildly different results. Enter Beehaw.org. They defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works back in 2023 during the first Reddit Migration. Prior to that their communities were considered defacto community hubs. However a few weeks after they defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works most of those communities became almost if not entirely dormant, and many users migrated from their instance elsewhere.
Too big to block very much is an issue, and blocking servers that are too big will kill your communities. Of course there are people who believe that growth, reach, or userbase doesn’t matter. This is kind of a stupid argument because if platforms or communities don’t have any people in them creating content or replying, or voting, they don’t really function at all as a social platform. best case they function like a blog, worst case, they’re no better than writing your comments in chalk on the sidewalk.
Nope, only one server I mentioned is a Mastodon server.
Actually, lemmy.world is not that big all things considered. It’s big for Lemmy, sure. But Lemmy isn’t that big at all.
Beehaw.org didn’t lose influence because they defederate the bigger servers. They lost influence because they took a heavy-handed approach to things. But if that’s how they want to run things—fine. No one owes anyone else federation.
This is not a “platform”. It’s a software distribution for an open protocol. And how people choose to use that protocol is up to them.
If you want to federate with everyone, that’s fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you who or what to associate with.
But the fact is, defederation is an option. It’s always an option.
See you’re trying to mince words here but the point indeed does stand because microblog and community based engagement are wildly different from each other, and have wildly different expectations and stipulations.
I don’t really know how relevant that is considering that the competing platforms aren’t federated to us. Honestly just seems like deflection to the main point. A server in the main community based fediverse sphere will suffer lower visits, and lower interaction if they block the biggest servers.
You are correct in that Beehaw’s draconian approach is what ultimately killed them off completely in the end, however defederation of the larger servers did play a bigger role than you’d like to give them credit for.
I never tried to say or imply it wasn’t an option, because it is, but for big servers that contain more of the pie it’s a bad idea. Just like shooting yourself in the foot or sticking a rod in the spokes of your bike while you’re riding is an option, but they’re bad ideas.
The Fediverse absolutely is a platform whether you like it or not, a decentralized platform but a platform nonetheless. They are free to use the protocols as they choose, but some options are poor decisions that will not favor them presently or in the future.
Now it really seems like you are misrepresenting my words here, trying to spin me as some anti-defederation troll. When the reality is I said that defederation of large servers and large communities has consequences. The inverse is also true, being banned from servers or communities in that larger slice of the pie has severe drawbacks for your own user experience on the Fediverse.
No one, certainly not me is saying you can’t, but there are consequences. It is important people are aware of these consequences. Something people peddling the common Fediverse talkingpoints really tells people. Like the fact that if you’re banned from all 5 of the biggest servers (community count + federated activity) you can basically consider your ability to be heard and participate hosed unless you create a new account with a new name, or if you block all the biggest servers on your server for being big, yours will likely be very unpopular and get very little interaction which kind of defeats the purpose of a social platform in the first place, federated or otherwise.
I run an Akkoma server, which is a fork of Pleroma – and I use a custom front end. I do not run it as a microblog but as a blog.
Using the power of Markdown, my posts have headings, bullet points, and emphasis.
And more importantly, I’m not limited to 500 characters.
I also have a Friendica account. Friendica is not a microblog but a Facebook-style macroblog. Just like Lemmy, it supports groups. It also supports galleries, events, and personal notes. It is not a microblog.
There is also Misskey. It has all those things but also cloud storage too.
I’m not mincing words. These are all services that have significantly diverged from Twitter-style microblogs to become something distinct and different. Many of these services have group functionality just like Lemmy. Hell, groups are on the road map for Mastodon – but Mastodon development is super slow, so some people on Mastodon use guppe as a bolt-on feature (not intuitive at all).
The only thing that sets Lemmy, Mbin, and Piefed apart is that they’re decidedly more Reddit-like than other services.
What competing platforms are you talking about?
And my point is, not necessarily. A server that proves toxic, no matter its size, eventually becomes defederated.
Personally, I don’t think lemmy.world is in danger of this at the moment. Ruud seems to be an upstanding guy. I don’t think he’ll go the way of lemmy.ml. But still, I never take anything for granted.
A “platform” implies that a singular entity runs things, and they have final say on what is or is not allowable. This is not the case with the Fediverse. I can built whatever want with it, set up a server as I wish, with a wildly different UI/UX.
Of course it has consequences. Nobody is arguing that. But in the context of the original post (“I don’t like that a moderator uses lemmy.world, and I find that intolerable”), what’s reasonable is defederation.
These thoughts of yours are all very well in theory, but aren’t very pragmatic for most users IMO. I mean, why not just block the user, anyway? Or make posts like this here, seemingly putting the heat back on the troll(s) in question…
OP’s problem is with LW allowing a certain person they don’t like to become moderator of the server. They could block the user, but their issue is that the specific user has power in an LW community.
If OP doesn’t like that, and feels like that moderators presence is a non-negotiable, she has options.
…But not necessarily great ones.
(yes, and I know I’m being argumentative AF on this point; I do see the logic of what you’re saying)
In any case, hopefully that troll’s influence across a giant instance like LW is relatively minor in the end. Also, by OP sticking to their SUBSCRIBE feed, they won’t have to deal with that community, either. shrug
Let’s be real. What OP really wants is for a certain moderator to not have power on a server she deems as influential. Thus, she’s trying to leverage peer pressure in order to make that happen.
But the moderator can join any server or create her own as well. So trying to remove her perceived influence is basically playing whack-a-mole, and because she herself doesn’t run any servers, peer pressure is an ineffective tool.
So if the moderator is that objectionable, the reasonable thing to do is either:
If neither of these options have the desired results, then I’m sorry – that’s just life.
Assuming good-faith effort, don’t you think it’s reasonable to publicly call out disingenuous, trollish behavior, especially with that sublemmy being one of the biggest ones across the FV?
Consider that we don’t have the same mechanisms across the FV as exist on Reddit, such that other means of correcting (evidently) terrible decisions (such as making a huge troll a mod on a big community) need to be explored at the very least. I.e., sometimes I think it doesn’t help in the end to run away from this kind of problem, and none of us should really want LW to drift towards an abomination such as HexBear, right?
Not at all. Trolls can be vindictive and litigious. Call-outs can result in swattings or long drawn out lawsuits.
The best way to deal with trolls is to quarantine them. That is, minimize their reach.
I assume that all servers can be compromised – even the “good” ones. Which is why you should always consider an escape hatch. And federation itself is that escape hatch.
LW is not so big that it is immune to defederation. It’s not even among the top 10 servers on the Social Web either by MAUs or total users. And you don’t even need a big server to be seen. I’m on a small server (atomicpoet.org), and from my experience, it’s a lot easier to be seen on the Fediverse when you run things yourself.
But “bigness” is also a reason to build more Fediverse servers and redundant communities that exist on those other servers.
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