Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday signaled that he was moving ahead with U.S. President Donald Trumpā€™s proposal to transfer the Palestinian population out of Gaza, calling it ā€œthe only viable plan to enable a different futureā€ for the region.

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      Just keep humping that narrative.

      There were a lot of really obvious failures that led to Harrisā€™ loss. Idiot voters were one, and supporting a genocide was another. Neither is close to being the most important. The Democratic party has been necrotic for decades. That was never going to last.

      Iā€™ve known that the country would get here since Biden was nominated in 2020. Itā€™s not an American problem either. Neoliberalism is falling to fascism all over the globe. If you canā€™t see the bigger picture then youā€™re as blind as the single issue Palestine voters.

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          I voted for Harris. Iā€™d rather see her in prison than the Whitehouse, but I rather see her in the Whitehouse than Trump.

          My conscience is clear. Iā€™ve been telling everyone since at least Obamaā€™s first term that if the Democrats didnā€™t shape up that the fascists would win. I didnā€™t think Trump could pull off a comeback, but I knew it would be somebody.

          Weak ass ineffective Democratic leadership got us here, along with the people who let them keep failing up. If there is a way out of this mess, I guarantee they wonā€™t find it.

          Thatā€™s why I am fed up with this narrative. Letting Democratic establishment get a free pass just cements our doom.

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              HIV/AIDS is a horrible virus but it wonā€™t kill you. It just sets you up to die from other things. Neoliberalism is HIV and fascism is pneumonia. Trying to address AIDS by focusing on pneumonia isnā€™t going to be very productive.

              If it wasnā€™t Trump it would be someone else. Whatā€™s happening here is happening all over the world in countries that donā€™t have Trump. One of the few that escaped the rightward lurch is Mexico, one of very few countries to reject their neoliberals and elect two actual progressives in a row.

              There is no end of bad things to be said about Trump, and there are plenty of people saying them. But, blaming Trump will either fall on deaf ears, or it will be preaching to the choir. What I donā€™t see is what you hope to gain from it. If it was going to make Democrats more electable then it would have worked by now. When Trump is gone, there will be another. As it stands now, we will lose.

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        yeah but it just feels so good to keep repeating that point, it is such an insightful, illuminating look at the real problems and DEFINITELY not just useless snark about a genocideā€¦.

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          If for months and months somebody absolutely would not shut up about how the smoke alarms were not good enough smoke alarms, and incessantly tried to drum up support for their petition to get rid of all the smoke alarms for that reason, and then it worked, and then after they took the smoke alarms out, the building burned down because the fire department didnā€™t find out in time, you can bet a million gazillion dollars I would bring it up to them whenever something building-fire-related came up in conversation.

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            Your metaphor here is flawed, you are categorizing a group of people who understood the building was on fire and were trying to warn everybody that the building was on fireā€¦ while centrists plugged their ears and yelled over the top of those warnings ā€œtoo bad, no one cares about the fire/Palestinian Genocideā€ while simultaneously condescending a group of people whose loved ones, family and friends were getting burned alive/dying in the Palestinian Genocide as all just selfish concern trolling disengenous idiots.

            Nobody likes you, Palestinians donā€™t, people that care about Palestinians donā€™t, people that donā€™t care about Palestinians donā€™tā€¦ so who the hell are your empty acidic jabs for? Your own amusement?

            Please stop participating in this conversation, sharing your viewpoint does worse than nothing.

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              yelled over the top of our warnings ā€œtoo bad, no one cares about the Palestinian Genocideā€

              Yep, that sure is exactly what I was doing. I kept insisting no one cared and it wasnā€™t important. If you go back in my comments, youā€™ll find me doing exactly that, all over the place.

              Nobody likes you, Palestinians donā€™t, people that care about Palestinians donā€™t, people that donā€™t like Palestinians donā€™t so who the hell are your empty acidic jabs for? Your own amusement?

              Please stop participating in this conversation, sharing your viewpoint does worse than nothing.

              Totally hinged, very cool.

              AND a group of people whose loved ones, family and friends were getting burned alive/dying in the Palestinian Genocide

              Well, Iā€™m sure glad theyā€™re doing better now, now that yā€™all have saved Palestine by blaming Kamala Harris for the Gaza war. It gives me the warm and fuzzies, to think of what a good job you all did.

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                It gives me the warm and fuzzies, to think of what a good job you all did.

                Do you understand how much of a bratty child you sound like here?

                We are talking about a genocide, keep your warm fuzzies to yourself.

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                  I didnā€™t want the genocide. I warned that letting Trump come to power was inevitably going to make the genocide much worse, and people tried at length to educate me out of it, talking down to me a lot like how you are doing right now.

                  I am in no way happy to be proven right now that the genocide already in progress has accelerated substantially and its finish line is in sight. Iā€™m making dark jokes about it because that is the only way I can cope with the horror, and avoid simply giving you abuse.

                  You helped this to happen, in some small and trivial way, if you were one of the people advocating before the election for anyone not to support Harris because of some theory giving her responsibility for the war in Gaza. I have no idea if you were or not, I just know the nature of you jumping into this conversation. You can rationalize however you like, or try to take a higher moral position and construct this self-righteous pretense that it was all the smoke detector supportersā€™ fault. Words are slippery things and you can do whatever you want with them. Iā€™ve reached the end of my ability to talk about it with you.

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    How is this ā€˜Trumpā€™s ideaā€™? Members of his own cabinet talked about it on Oct 8. Trump was just stupid enough to say it out loud in English.

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      Itā€™s ā€œTrumpā€™s ideaā€ in the sense that Trumpā€™s endorsement gave him cover to do it.

      Just like all the ā€œgEnOcIdE JoEā€ anti-Kamala agitators wanted.