While we can all hope that is the case… I think you misunderstand what nukes are there for. In the US’ case anyway.
There’s no real strategy to the nukes… it’s just “attack us and we’re losing? Nuke. So don’t even think about it.” That’s the entire concept of mutually assured destruction. Nuclear armed nations with properly hardened nukes (which the US absolutely has and China, I assume, has equivalent nukes. In the ground, under the sea, on stand by for planes as well) all exist under the constant implicit and also explicit threat of what I wrote above. They are called deterrence missiles in the US. Deterrence against other nuclear armed nations even thinking about a first strike nuke or invasion.
I suppose the only “what if” is “what if the US loses horribly abroad. But the mainland isn’t attacked by nukes (or something else) and there is no invasion?” Maybe that’s what you meant?
It’s still plausible to me that the US president smashes that button. We aren’t exactly known for having sane, rational people in that position. But that’s about the only scenario I can see direct US/China confrontation without nuclear exchange. If the US fucks around with, I dunno, Taiwan and immediately China shuts it down. Maybe the US takes the L. Still, over the long term if such a conflict begins… nuclear exchange seems inevitable. From the US side starting it due to losing.
I understand that nuclear weapons exist for the U.S. to use as a last resort to destroy the world to prevent the good guys from truly winning, in the end.
I don’t think that nuclear weapons are as big of a threat as the U.S. parades them around to be, or as comrades say they are.
I’m not saying the U.S. would never launch nuclear weapons, or that we should approach it with no caution, I just think it’s unlikely that the bourgeoisie would actually use them.
Again, while I would like to be hopeful… I really can’t express enough how much I genuinely think they would absolutely push the button. I think a lot of these people are so wrapped up in their ideology (look how Trump is just straight up breaking shit he doesn’t understand. Sometimes even accidentally doing good stuff) and they’re so lost in some fantasy world resulting from like 60 straight years of neoliberal and libertarian jerkoff sessions that they are detached enough and/or deranged enough to do it. Like true radical thought processes of “No, I’d rather be dead than…” insert whatever situation is happening or they imagine is happening. Like if China is just steamrolling every single US Navy vessel within 1000km of China’s shores (which, btw, I personally think is justified. The US would certainly never tolerate the opposite. A Chinese aircraft carrier just setting up anchor 1000km from Hawaii)… I dunno. Maybe the US takes that. That’s the one situation I could see restraint happening.
Any sort of perceived “encroachment” on US territory becomes much more certain in my mind. The “losing abroad” situation also relies on their mindset which, if you listen to them, is basically “Wow, how could China dare have planes and ships in the South CHINA Sea?!”
If their actions follow their ideology and statements… they really do see China having sovereignty and expressing it in much (MUCH) less overt ways than the US does as an affront to the US. I can’t read their minds, but their words certainly indicate that anything China does feels like an existential threat to them and must be responded to.
Unfortunately I see this sentiment escalating and not deescalating. The US media diet is just “Bad things because China china china Russia! China china china cuba russia China Venezuela Iran china china china” 24/7 non stop. The politicians who you’d think would know that the media is bullshit and only exists to help them do evil shit would realize like “Ok, yeah. I want to fuck China over, but… we can’t do this thing.” and yet, I don’t think many of them realize it. They eat the propaganda and gobble it down the same as normal Americans with no political power. Everyone in charge here is a legitimate fucking moron. And we’re only slated to get dumber (less educated)…
Not sure why you’re downvoted. They’re making direct counters to U.S naval policy. Drones, submarines, unveiling sixth gen bombers specifically, etc. They vastly outnumber them in manpower and soon ships. We learned from Ukraine that reliability and force wins out over western wunderwaffe.
I’ve read that China even has the technology to remotely detect and shut down nuclear missiles, or scramble, disable or short them out. Or at the very least, identify or shoot them before they are truly primed.
I’m not particularly worried about the U.S. firing nuclear weapons at China, but I’m not nonchalant about it, either.
That’s why I figure that China would be the safest place in the world if/when World War 3 or nuclear war breaks out.
If the U.S. forces a war with China, China would most likely easily when, especially before nukes are launched.
I assume you meant win not when
While we can all hope that is the case… I think you misunderstand what nukes are there for. In the US’ case anyway.
There’s no real strategy to the nukes… it’s just “attack us and we’re losing? Nuke. So don’t even think about it.” That’s the entire concept of mutually assured destruction. Nuclear armed nations with properly hardened nukes (which the US absolutely has and China, I assume, has equivalent nukes. In the ground, under the sea, on stand by for planes as well) all exist under the constant implicit and also explicit threat of what I wrote above. They are called deterrence missiles in the US. Deterrence against other nuclear armed nations even thinking about a first strike nuke or invasion.
I suppose the only “what if” is “what if the US loses horribly abroad. But the mainland isn’t attacked by nukes (or something else) and there is no invasion?” Maybe that’s what you meant?
It’s still plausible to me that the US president smashes that button. We aren’t exactly known for having sane, rational people in that position. But that’s about the only scenario I can see direct US/China confrontation without nuclear exchange. If the US fucks around with, I dunno, Taiwan and immediately China shuts it down. Maybe the US takes the L. Still, over the long term if such a conflict begins… nuclear exchange seems inevitable. From the US side starting it due to losing.
I understand that nuclear weapons exist for the U.S. to use as a last resort to destroy the world to prevent the good guys from truly winning, in the end.
I don’t think that nuclear weapons are as big of a threat as the U.S. parades them around to be, or as comrades say they are.
I’m not saying the U.S. would never launch nuclear weapons, or that we should approach it with no caution, I just think it’s unlikely that the bourgeoisie would actually use them.
But people aren’t 100 percent rational, either.
Again, while I would like to be hopeful… I really can’t express enough how much I genuinely think they would absolutely push the button. I think a lot of these people are so wrapped up in their ideology (look how Trump is just straight up breaking shit he doesn’t understand. Sometimes even accidentally doing good stuff) and they’re so lost in some fantasy world resulting from like 60 straight years of neoliberal and libertarian jerkoff sessions that they are detached enough and/or deranged enough to do it. Like true radical thought processes of “No, I’d rather be dead than…” insert whatever situation is happening or they imagine is happening. Like if China is just steamrolling every single US Navy vessel within 1000km of China’s shores (which, btw, I personally think is justified. The US would certainly never tolerate the opposite. A Chinese aircraft carrier just setting up anchor 1000km from Hawaii)… I dunno. Maybe the US takes that. That’s the one situation I could see restraint happening.
Any sort of perceived “encroachment” on US territory becomes much more certain in my mind. The “losing abroad” situation also relies on their mindset which, if you listen to them, is basically “Wow, how could China dare have planes and ships in the South CHINA Sea?!”
If their actions follow their ideology and statements… they really do see China having sovereignty and expressing it in much (MUCH) less overt ways than the US does as an affront to the US. I can’t read their minds, but their words certainly indicate that anything China does feels like an existential threat to them and must be responded to.
Unfortunately I see this sentiment escalating and not deescalating. The US media diet is just “Bad things because China china china Russia! China china china cuba russia China Venezuela Iran china china china” 24/7 non stop. The politicians who you’d think would know that the media is bullshit and only exists to help them do evil shit would realize like “Ok, yeah. I want to fuck China over, but… we can’t do this thing.” and yet, I don’t think many of them realize it. They eat the propaganda and gobble it down the same as normal Americans with no political power. Everyone in charge here is a legitimate fucking moron. And we’re only slated to get dumber (less educated)…
Not sure why you’re downvoted. They’re making direct counters to U.S naval policy. Drones, submarines, unveiling sixth gen bombers specifically, etc. They vastly outnumber them in manpower and soon ships. We learned from Ukraine that reliability and force wins out over western wunderwaffe.
I’ve read that China even has the technology to remotely detect and shut down nuclear missiles, or scramble, disable or short them out. Or at the very least, identify or shoot them before they are truly primed.
I’m not particularly worried about the U.S. firing nuclear weapons at China, but I’m not nonchalant about it, either.
That’s why I figure that China would be the safest place in the world if/when World War 3 or nuclear war breaks out.