I agree with you, except it will be the opposite. “How did people think it was okay to force women into this with no choice? Even at the risk of their own lives in a country with a high maternal mortality rate.”
We’re not talking about babies. During the first trimester, when most elective abortions occur, that “baby” is the size of a grape, and barely has the beginning of organs. It can’t think or feel, let alone experience consciousness.
Your attempts at trying to paint abortion as killing an actual infant is disgusting.
Why don’t we put them in artificial wombs at the expense of the state and create a child army? Then when they age out of the military they can have full citizenship! /s
Humans deserve rights. One of those rights is NOT to use other people’s bodies though.
If I’m dying of kidney failure I don’t get to force you to donate your kidneys to me. Quite the opposite, thanks to bodily autonomy. That thing you hate when it applies to other people.
It’s actually an incredibly relevant and appropriate equivalence, since restricting access to abortion care means endangering women’s lives in cases where the pregnancy is non-viable or there are other serious complications to the pregnancy.
How. I woman being forced to carry a child to term appears to me to be the same as you being forced to donate a kidney. They both involve involuntary use of a body for someone else’s benefit.
Not to mention that childbirth can be deadly for either party involved on a good day. It’s naive to think that every fetus is going to come into the world alive. I have personally known people who aborted a fetus that they desperately wanted because it was essentially non-viable, and not worth the risk to the mother. They later had several other healthy children, who would not have existed had that aborted birth been traumatic enough.
They are fucking clumps of cells and fetuses, not babies. The to-be-mother is a fucking adult human (and only a child in some cases) with fully grown nerves cells and developed emotions.
We should just give Americans complimentary abortions if they travel overseas. Pretty sure it wouldn’t be too much of a dent to global public healthcare systems.
“In the United States, more than one half of pregnancies are unintended, with 3 in 10 women having an abortion by age 45 years 1. In 2008, 1.2 million abortions occurred in the United States, of which 6.2% took place between 13 weeks of gestation and 15 weeks of gestation, and 4.0% took place at 16 weeks of gestation or later 2 3. Only 1.3% of abortions are performed at 21 weeks of gestation or later.”
From a quick Google search, so 1.3% of the 1.2 million 2008 abortions would be 15,600. Viability is generally ranged around 20+ weeks, I think google says 24ish, some premature babies are born earlier but are significantly more rare the further you get away from 20+ weeks.
Late-term abortions are nearly always due to serious complications that endanger both mother and fetus, or in cases where the fetus is already non-viable or braindead. You are proposing forcing mothers to risk their lives to give birth to dead fetuses. Educate yourself instead of parroting conservative propaganda.
You didn’t answer what they asked. They asked how often is a baby killed right in the moment before birth. I think this is a bit of disconnect when thinking about what abortion is. Abortion is ending pregnancy. If a woman is giving birth, the pregnancy is ending. There’s no “abortion” how you’re thinking about it.
The abortions after 20 weeks are for the fetuses that have severe defects that we can’t detect before the anatomy scan. With our current technology we cannot detect these defects before 20 weeks. It’s impossible. These fetuses are the ones who don’t have a brain, whose brain stems are exposed, whose organs fused with the placenta, whose hearts never develop, etc. There’s not many of each type of deformity, but when you add them up, they account for “late term abortions”. And just as an fyi that is not a medical term. It’s a political one.
The vast majority of those abortions performed after 21 weeks are due to medical issues and fetal non-viability. Women who make it to 20+ weeks of pregnancy virtually always want the baby, and an abortion is an incredibly sad and heartbreaking medical necessity at that point. I know someone who had to have a later abortion of a very much wanted child because the fetus didn’t develop a brain.
And I know someone who, due to conservative propaganda, gave birth to a child without a brain. They attempted to keep it alive and it actually lasted a few weeks before dying. It was awful.
I agree with you, except it will be the opposite. “How did people think it was okay to force women into this with no choice? Even at the risk of their own lives in a country with a high maternal mortality rate.”
“How can they have freedom be one of their foundational guides, but think restrictions on what women do with their bodies is alright?”
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So a woman has to carry a dead fetus full term because it somehow has rights?!
We’re not talking about babies. During the first trimester, when most elective abortions occur, that “baby” is the size of a grape, and barely has the beginning of organs. It can’t think or feel, let alone experience consciousness.
Your attempts at trying to paint abortion as killing an actual infant is disgusting.
Why don’t we put them in artificial wombs at the expense of the state and create a child army? Then when they age out of the military they can have full citizenship! /s
Humans deserve rights. One of those rights is NOT to use other people’s bodies though.
If I’m dying of kidney failure I don’t get to force you to donate your kidneys to me. Quite the opposite, thanks to bodily autonomy. That thing you hate when it applies to other people.
False equivalence.
It’s actually an incredibly relevant and appropriate equivalence, since restricting access to abortion care means endangering women’s lives in cases where the pregnancy is non-viable or there are other serious complications to the pregnancy.
How. I woman being forced to carry a child to term appears to me to be the same as you being forced to donate a kidney. They both involve involuntary use of a body for someone else’s benefit.
A small cluster of cells is not yet a baby.
Not to mention that childbirth can be deadly for either party involved on a good day. It’s naive to think that every fetus is going to come into the world alive. I have personally known people who aborted a fetus that they desperately wanted because it was essentially non-viable, and not worth the risk to the mother. They later had several other healthy children, who would not have existed had that aborted birth been traumatic enough.
They are fucking clumps of cells and fetuses, not babies. The to-be-mother is a fucking adult human (and only a child in some cases) with fully grown nerves cells and developed emotions.
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How often does this happen in America? How many abortions are performed where a fully viable fetus is removed in pieces?
We should just give Americans complimentary abortions if they travel overseas. Pretty sure it wouldn’t be too much of a dent to global public healthcare systems.
“In the United States, more than one half of pregnancies are unintended, with 3 in 10 women having an abortion by age 45 years 1. In 2008, 1.2 million abortions occurred in the United States, of which 6.2% took place between 13 weeks of gestation and 15 weeks of gestation, and 4.0% took place at 16 weeks of gestation or later 2 3. Only 1.3% of abortions are performed at 21 weeks of gestation or later.”
From a quick Google search, so 1.3% of the 1.2 million 2008 abortions would be 15,600. Viability is generally ranged around 20+ weeks, I think google says 24ish, some premature babies are born earlier but are significantly more rare the further you get away from 20+ weeks.
Late-term abortions are nearly always due to serious complications that endanger both mother and fetus, or in cases where the fetus is already non-viable or braindead. You are proposing forcing mothers to risk their lives to give birth to dead fetuses. Educate yourself instead of parroting conservative propaganda.
You didn’t answer what they asked. They asked how often is a baby killed right in the moment before birth. I think this is a bit of disconnect when thinking about what abortion is. Abortion is ending pregnancy. If a woman is giving birth, the pregnancy is ending. There’s no “abortion” how you’re thinking about it.
The abortions after 20 weeks are for the fetuses that have severe defects that we can’t detect before the anatomy scan. With our current technology we cannot detect these defects before 20 weeks. It’s impossible. These fetuses are the ones who don’t have a brain, whose brain stems are exposed, whose organs fused with the placenta, whose hearts never develop, etc. There’s not many of each type of deformity, but when you add them up, they account for “late term abortions”. And just as an fyi that is not a medical term. It’s a political one.
The vast majority of those abortions performed after 21 weeks are due to medical issues and fetal non-viability. Women who make it to 20+ weeks of pregnancy virtually always want the baby, and an abortion is an incredibly sad and heartbreaking medical necessity at that point. I know someone who had to have a later abortion of a very much wanted child because the fetus didn’t develop a brain.
And I know someone who, due to conservative propaganda, gave birth to a child without a brain. They attempted to keep it alive and it actually lasted a few weeks before dying. It was awful.
Speaking as a female…no1curr.