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  • Rusty Shackleford@programming.dev
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    2 days ago

    Utterly predictable to point of comical banality.

    Deny, deflect, obfuscate, and blame anyone or anything else. Same song, every time.

    History and their own current rhetoric is absolutely clear: the wannabe “champions of the people” are exactly like their fascist, corporatist, and theocratic authoritarian counterparts. Apologists, hypocrites and “whatabout-ists”.

    Bunch of temporarily inconvenienced oligarchs-in-waiting.

    What are boot-licking “tankies” in reality?

    Performative, gelatinous, invertebrate, amoral pussies, who’ll forgive or talk around any atrocity committed by their cult for a glimmer of a chance to wield the power they purport to rail against.

    All the while, seemingly completely unaware of the profound comedic irony and dissonance of their professed political stance, their moral posturing, and the depravity of their willingness to side with the most blood-soaked, murderous regimes and psychopaths in history.

    And every time one points it out? “WhAtBoUt WhAtAbOuT wHaTaBoUt _________, HuH?!”

    Good times, with these clowns.

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      The salaries of socialist leaders is much lower than in capitalist-owned countries, e.g. aligned with the median salary, more than enough to revert your argument, they’re not here for the money but to serve. Corruption(, from the wealthy,) is also taken much more seriously than in our societies who even legalized lobbying anyway.

      And do you see the problem in accusing me of hypocrisy and whataboutism at the same time ?

      All the while, seemingly completely unaware of the profound comedic irony and dissonance of their professed political stance, their moral posturing, and the depravity of their willingness to side with the most blood-soaked, murderous regimes and psychopaths in history.

      You’re describing yourself supporting the west, who’s been mostly the only responsible of wars, genocides, support to dictators, …, since the colonization. The extent of our interventions isn’t taught in schools or medias, and didn’t stop in 1991.

      If you believe in the atrocity propaganda demonizing our declared enemies, and the duty to bring them freedom, i’ll continue to prefer living with them peacefully, in a world that would protect them&us

      Not much to add

      If we end this discussion with an author’s recommendation each, i’ve found Michael Parenti pleasantly surprising.

      And, besides more censorship on t.v. firing the last persons kinda leftists, shamelessly instrumentalizing an antisemitism that deeply traumatized jewish families, there’s more censorship on the/our Internet, or chatbots will also have to align with what our government deems to be wrongthoughts. That’s only for today.

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        22 hours ago

        Once again, with feeling:

        What are boot-licking “tankies” in reality?

        Performative, gelatinous, invertebrates who’ll forgive or talk around any atrocity committed by their cult for a glimmer of a chance to wield the power they purport to rail against.

        Also known as pussies.

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          Would you forgive or talk around these atrocities ? https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md.
          If you do then you’re an hypocrite ; if you don’t then you’re probably an anti-imperialist like us.
          This useful list was made by the same @dessalines that made Lemmy.

          Here’s just one example of what you’ve accepted : We’ve supported dictatorships in Hong-Kong(, they couldn’t vote until 1985), and Taiwan.
          For South Korea as well(, Rhee Syngnam from 1948 to 1960 ; Park Chung-hee from 1961 to 1979 ; and Chun Doo-hwan from 1980 to 1988).
          We also supported the dictatorship in Myanmar, and Suharto in Indonesia from 1967 to 1998, the Philippines from 1965 to 1986, etc.
          We also supported the authoritarian South Vietnam(, 1955-1963).
          And we’ll remember the Khmer rouge, but not the authoritarian and western-backed Lon Nol.
          We(sterners) also supported the military regimes in Thailand, anything but communism. Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was also considered authoritarian.

          That’s only in Asia, which we abundantly bombed as you know because it was our duty to stop the freedom of choosing communism. The dozens of dictatorships that we supported or (helped )installed in South America and Africa are a bit more known, but not that much.
          We’re against communism more than tyrans, and aren’t invading because we have the moral duty to free these populations against their will, it’s just propaganda. Hitler probably had other arguments that judeo-bolchevism to fabricate the consentements of the germans to war, we(sterners) are using liberty, and it doesn’t really seem like we have a second argument so we’re going all-in on this one.

          Lemmygrad users are denying atrocity propaganda, and don’t want to close their eyes on our support to every anti-communist dictatorship.
          They’re dreamers of a better world, not afraid to think by themselves, and see like i do that we’re surrounded with conformists believing every single thing they’ve been told, who would have thus developed the opposite point of view if they were born in the other country.

          Look, i don’t like dictatorships either, and consider reddit worrying, but atrocity propaganda is a classic, we have many arguments to debunk our lies, almost all of them ignored by the rest of the population while we know your arguments. Our debunking is also the point of view of these governments and their population, who also know our arguments while we ignore theirs, not that our attacks are hard to understand anyway, the debunking necessarily take a bit more reading/understanding.

          We’re dreaming of a better world, and arguing why it’d be desirable.
          I can demonstrate why their political polls are genuine and their happiness outstanding, and why their propaganda isn’t as bad as you think it is, use Rednote, Douyin, or other apps if you want to see what chinese people are like.

          Am i right to understand that you have a problem with authoritarianism, and not communism per se, may i then ask by curiosity about your opinion on libertarian communism, or anarcho-communism ?