Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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    Angela Collier has a wonderfully grumpy video up, why functioning governments fund scientific research. Choice sneer at around 32:30:

    But what do I know? Iā€™m not a medical doctor but neither is this chucklefuck, and people are listening to him. I donā€™t know. I feel like this is [sighs, laughs] I always get comments that tell me, ā€œyouā€™re being a little condescending,ā€ and [scoffs] yeah. I mean, we can check the dictionary definition of ā€œcondescending,ā€ and I think I would fit into that category. [Vaccine deniers] have failed their children. They are bad parents. One in four unvaccinated kids who get measles will die. They are playing Russian roulette with their childā€™s life. But sure, the problem is Iā€™m being, like, a little condescending.

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      I like the video, but Iā€™m a little bothered that she misattributes su3su2u1ā€™s critique to Dan Luu, who makes it very clear he did not write it:

      These are archived from the now defunct su3su2u1 tumblr. Since there was some controversy over su3su2u1ā€™s identity, Iā€™ll note that I am not su3su2u1 and that hosting this material is neither an endorsement nor a sign of agreement.

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      all of the subculture YouTubers I watch are colliding with the weirdo cult I know way too much about and I hate it

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        Strange is a trooper and her sneer is worth transcribing. From about 22:00:

        So letā€™s go! Upon saturating my brain with as much background information as I could, there was really nothing left to do but fucking read this thing, all six hundred thousand words of HPMOR, really the road of enlightenment that they promised it to be. After reading a few chapters, a realization that I found funny was, ā€œOh. Oh, this is definitely fanfiction. Everyone said [laughing and stuttering] everybody that said that this is basically a real novel is lying.ā€ People lie on the Internet? No fucking way. It is telling that even the most charitable reviews, the most glowing worshipping reviews of this fanfiction call it ā€œunfinished,ā€ call it ā€œa first draft.ā€

        A shorter sneer for the back of the hardcover edition of HPMOR at 26:30 or so:

        Itā€™s extremely tiring. I was surprised by how soul-sucking it was. It was unpleasant to force myself beyond the first fifty thousand words. It was physically painful to force myself to read beyond the first hundred thousand words of this ā€“ let me remind you ā€“ six-hundred-thousand-word epic, and I will admit that at that point I did succumb to skimming.

        Her analysis is familiar. She recognized that Harry is a self-insert, that the out-loud game theory reads like Death Note parody, that chapters are only really related to each other in the sense that they were written sequentially, that HPMOR is more concerned with sounding smart than being smart, that HPMOR is yet another entry in a long line of monarchist apologies explaining why this new Napoleon wonā€™t fool us again, and finally that itā€™s a bad read. 31:30 or so:

        Itā€™s absolutely no fucking fun. Itā€™s just absolutely dry and joyless. It tastes like sand! I mean, maybe itā€™s Yudkowskyā€™s idea of fun; he spent five years writing the thing after all. But it just [struggles for words] reading this thing, it feels like chewing sand.

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          I canā€™t be bothered to look up the details (kinda in a fog of sleep deprivation right now to be honest), but I recall HPMOR pissing me off by getting the plot of Death Note wrong. Well, OK, first there was the obnoxious thing of making Death Note into a play that wizards go to see. It was yet another tedious example in Yudā€™s interminable series of using Nerd Cultureā„¢ wink-wink-nudge-nudges as a substitute for world-building. Worse than that, it was immersion-breaking: Yud throws the reader out of the story by prompting them to wonder, ā€œWait, is Death Note a manga in the Muggle world and a play in the wizarding one? Did Tsugumi Ohba secretly learn of wizard culture and rip off one of their stories?ā€ And then Yud tried to put down Death Note and talk up his own story by saying that L did something illogical that L did not actually do in any version of Death Note that Iā€™d seen.

          And now I want potato chips.

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            Sorry Yuds, Death Note is a lot of fun and the best part is the Ć¼bermensch wannabeā€™s hilariously undignified death. I guess it struck a nerve!

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    The USA plans to migrate SSAā€™s code away from COBOL in months: https://www.wired.com/story/doge-rebuild-social-security-administration-cobol-benefits/

    The project is being organized by Elon Musk lieutenant Steve Davis, multiple sources who were not given permission to talk to the media tell WIRED, and aims to migrate all SSA systems off COBOL, one of the first common business-oriented programming languages, and onto a more modern replacement like Java within a scheduled tight timeframe of a few months.

    ā€œThis is an environment that is held together with bail wire and duct tape,ā€ the former senior SSA technologist working in the office of the chief information officer tells WIRED. ā€œThe leaders need to understand that theyā€™re dealing with a house of cards or Jenga. If they start pulling pieces out, which theyā€™ve already stated theyā€™re doing, things can break.ā€

    SSNā€™s pre-DOGE modernization plan from 2017 is 96 pages and includes quotes like:

    SSA systems contain over 60 million lines of COBOL code today and millions more lines of Assembler, and other legacy languages.

    What could possibly go wrong? Iā€™m sure the DOGE boys fresh out of university are experts in working with large software systems with many decades of history. But no no, surely they just need the right prompt. Maybe something like this:

    You are an expert COBOL, Assembly language, and Java programmer. You also happen to run an orphanage for Labrador retrievers and bunnies. Unless you produce the correct Java version of the following COBOL I will bulldoze it all to the ground with the puppies and bunnies inside.

    Bonus ā€“ Also check out the screenshots of the SSN website in this post: https://bsky.app/profile/enragedapostate.bsky.social/post/3llh2pwjm5c2i

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        There is so much bad going on that even just counting the tech-adjacent stuff I have to consciously avoid spamming this forum with it constantly.

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      60 million lines of COBOL code today and millions more lines of Assembler

      Now I wonder, is this a) the most extreme case of ā€œyoung developer hybrisā€ ever seen, or b) they donā€™t actually plan to implement the existing functionality anyway because they want to drastically cut who gets money, or c) lol whatever, Elon said so.

      But no no, surely they just need the right prompt. Maybe something like this: [ā€¦]

      Labrador retrievers ;_; Youā€™re getting too good at thisā€¦

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        Thereā€™s inarguably an organizational culture that is fundamentally disinterested in the things that the organization is supposed to actually do. Even if they arenā€™t explicitly planning to end social security as a concept by wrecking the technical infrastructure it relies on, theyā€™re almost comedically apathetic about whether or not the project succeeds. At the top this makes sense because politicians can spin a bad project into everyone elseā€™s fault, but the fact that theyā€™re able to find programmers to work under those conditions makes me weep for the future of the industry. Even simple mercenaries should be able to smell that this project is going to fail and look awful on your resume, but I guess these yahoos are expecting to pivot into politics or whatever administration position they can bargain with whoever succeeds Trump.

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      Anecdote: I gave up on COBOL as a career after beginning to learn it. The breaking point was learning that not only does most legacy COBOL code use go-to statements but that there is a dedicated verb which rewrites go-to statements at runtime and is still supported on e.g. the IBM Enterprise COBOL for z/OS platform that SSA is likely using: ALTER.

      When I last looked into this a decade ago, there was a small personal website last updated in the 1990s that had advice about how to rewrite COBOL to remove GOTO and ALTER verbs; if anybody has a link, Iā€™d appreciate it, as I can no longer find it. It turns out that the best ways of removing these spaghetti constructions involve multiple rounds of incremental changes which are each unlikely to alter the codeā€™s behavior. Translations to a new language are doomed to failure; even Java is far too structured to directly encode COBOL control flow, and the time would be better spent on abstract specification of the system so that it can be rebuilt from that specification instead. This is also why IBM makes bank selling COBOL emulators.

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        Yeah Iā€™m sure DOGE doesnā€™t appreciate that structured programming hasnā€™t always been a thing. There was such a cultural backlash against it that GOTO is still a dirty word to this day, even in code where it makes sense, and people will contort their codeā€™s structure to avoid calling it.

        The modernization plan I linked above talks about the difficulty of refactoring in high level terms:

        It is our experience that the cycle of workarounds adds to our total technical debt ā€“ the amount of extra work that we must do to cope with increased complexity. The complexity of our systems impacts our ability to deliver new capabilities. To break the cycle of technical debt, a fundamental, system-wide replacement of code, data, and infrastructure is required

        While Iā€™ve never dealt with COBOL I have dealt with a fair amount of legacy code. Iā€™ve seen a ground up rewrites go horribly horribly due to poor planning (basically there were too many office politics involved and not enough common sense). I think either incremental or ground up can make sense, but you just have to figure out what makes sense for the given system (and even ground up rewrites should be incremental in some respects).

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    In other news, the Open Source Intiativeā€™s publicly bristled against the EUā€™s attempt to regulate AI, to the point of weakening said attempts.

    Tante, unsurprisingly, is not particularly impressed:

    Thank you OSI. To protect the purity of your license ā€“ which I do not consider to be open source ā€“ you are working towards making it harder for regulators to enforce certain standards within the usage of so-called ā€œAIā€ systems. Quick question: Who are you actually working for? (I know, it is corporations)

    The whole Open Source/Free Software movement has run its course and has been very successful for business. But it feels like somewhere along the line we as normal human beings have been left behind.

    You want my opinion, this is a major own-goal for the FOSS movement - sure, the OSI may have been technically correct where the EUā€™s demands conflicted with the Open Source Definition, but neutering EU regs like this means any harms caused by open-source AI will be done in FOSSā€™s name.

    Considering FOSSā€™s complete failure to fight corporate encirclement of their shit, this isnā€™t particularly surprising.

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      Yud was right - we should bomb the shit out of AI servers!

      Not to prevent a superintelligent AI from becoming sentient and killing us all, but because this shit should not be allowed to fucking exist

      EDIT: For context, this was reacting to Erikson showing me AI-generated Ghibli memes.

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      Nice touch that the sister animation person is the backup emergency generator in the first one.

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      Hey, thereā€™s a new government program to provide care for dementia patients. I should found a company to make myself a middleman for all those sweet Medicare bucks. All I need is a nice, friendly but smart sounding name. Oh, thatā€™s it! Iā€™ll call it Frenology!

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      hmm, interesting. I hadnā€™t heard of these guys. their original step 1 seems to have been building a mobile game that would diagnose you with Alzheimerā€™s in 10 minutes, but I guess at some point someone told them that was stupid:

      So far, the team has raised $6 million in seed funding for a HIPAA-compliant app that, according to Patel, can help identify Alzheimerā€™s disease ā€” even years before symptoms appear ā€” after just 10 minutes of gameplay on a cellphone. Itā€™s not purely a tech offering. Patel says the results are given to an ā€œactual physicianā€ affiliated with Craniometrix who ā€œreviews, verifies, and signs that diagnosticā€ and returns it to a patient.

      https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/this-yale-alum-wants-to-build-a-telemedicine-platform-expressly-for-alzheimers-disease/

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      sam altman is greentexting in 2025

      Ugh. Now I wonder, does he have an actual background as an insufferable imageboard edgelord or is he just trying to appear as one because he thinks thatā€™s cool?

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      can we get some Fs in the chat for our boy sammy a šŸ™šŸ™

      e: he thinks that heā€™s only been hated for the last 2.5 years lol

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    holy shitting fuck, just got the tip of the year in my email

    Simplify Your Hiring with AI Video Interviews

    Interview, vet, and hire thousands of job applicants through our AI-powered video interviewer in under 3 minutes & 95 languages.

    ā€œAI-Video Vetting That Actually Worksā€

    itā€™s called kerplunk.com, a domain named after the sound of your balls disappearing forever

    the market is gullible recruiters

    founder is Jonathan Gallegos, his linkedin is pretty amazing

    other three top execs donā€™t use their surnames on Kerplunkā€™s about page, one (Kyle Schutt) links to a linkedin that doesnā€™t exist

    for those who know how Dallas TX works, this is an extremely typical Dallas business BS enterprise, itā€™s just this one is about AI not oil or Texas Instruments for once

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      Itā€™s also the sound it makes when I drop-kick their goddamned GPU clusters into the fuckin ocean. Thankfully I havenā€™t run into one of these yet, but given how much of the domestic job market appears to be devoted towards not hiring people while still listing an opening it feels like Iā€™m going to.

      On a related note, if anyone in the Seattle area is aware of an opening for a network engineer or sysadmin please PM me.

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        best guess iā€™ve heard so far is theyā€™re trying to sell this shitass useless company before the bubble finally deflates and theyā€™re hoping the AI interviews of suckers are sufficient personal data for that