Fucking hell that was insightful thanks for sharing. It shows how bad certain fields can get, and what kind of things happen. Sounds like you handled it great… I know what you mean about drawing a line quickly and HARD. Then repeatedly drawing that fucking line!
I’ve often found the saying “people don’t quit jobs they quit managers” true. They make or break an office for you. My bff works in tech and she’s found exactly the same thing with managers… she’s had one that was sort of OK and 4 truly abysmal ones. Was there much bullying in the field?
The best way to understand them truly is understanding why they love tech. Tech bros are essentially tech themed finance bros, they love stocks and monetizing tech but they dont care about the technology (examples: NFT bros, crypto bros, etc). Meanwhile technology enthusiasts are acturally enthusiastic about the technology. Not all of them do tech work but most have a hobby in either hardware and/or software tinkering (for example software customization for aesthetic and/or practical purposes, 3d printing, custom circuits, or general hardware modification). I fall into the tech enthusiast category because I love computers (especially thinkpads) and I love Linux :3
Conclusion: if you want to see if someone truly cares about technology ask them what they think about the AGPL/GPLv3 (open source licenses that makes software harder to monetize)
I was about to post but then I read the comments and this is just exactly what I would’ve posted. I moved around a bit in STEM and this is my exact experience in any male dominated STEM field. Some STEM fields that are more 50/50 operate so well that it makes the tech portion stand out even more. I think part of it is that tech as we see it today is still relatively new and so fast paced that people don’t even know what makes a good employee much less manager.
90% of the men I worked with were fantastic and friendly but most of those 90% were unable or unwilling to step up when there were issues with the other 10%. I worked somewhere with almost daily harassment from a techbro guy and although others were willing to admit it was a problem behind closed doors it was all just blank stares from them when I said anything to him.
Elon Musk is my go to when I have to explain it. Basically no one that actually works in tech is like him but somehow he’s still at the top. He knows nothing about the day to day but does just enough to ruin things. People still work for him though and look the other way when he does terrible things because he is the boss. If guys like him didn’t exist tech would be a fine industry.
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Fucking hell that was insightful thanks for sharing. It shows how bad certain fields can get, and what kind of things happen. Sounds like you handled it great… I know what you mean about drawing a line quickly and HARD. Then repeatedly drawing that fucking line!
I’ve often found the saying “people don’t quit jobs they quit managers” true. They make or break an office for you. My bff works in tech and she’s found exactly the same thing with managers… she’s had one that was sort of OK and 4 truly abysmal ones. Was there much bullying in the field?
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Yup that’s why while Tech Bros and Tech Enthusiasts sound similar they’re complete opposites. Im personally a tech enthusiast :3
I love the fact that solely from your comments ending in “:3”, that I was sure to find a Blåhaj in your history.
I may be silly :3
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The best way to understand them truly is understanding why they love tech. Tech bros are essentially tech themed finance bros, they love stocks and monetizing tech but they dont care about the technology (examples: NFT bros, crypto bros, etc). Meanwhile technology enthusiasts are acturally enthusiastic about the technology. Not all of them do tech work but most have a hobby in either hardware and/or software tinkering (for example software customization for aesthetic and/or practical purposes, 3d printing, custom circuits, or general hardware modification). I fall into the tech enthusiast category because I love computers (especially thinkpads) and I love Linux :3
Conclusion: if you want to see if someone truly cares about technology ask them what they think about the AGPL/GPLv3 (open source licenses that makes software harder to monetize)
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Fair enough
I was about to post but then I read the comments and this is just exactly what I would’ve posted. I moved around a bit in STEM and this is my exact experience in any male dominated STEM field. Some STEM fields that are more 50/50 operate so well that it makes the tech portion stand out even more. I think part of it is that tech as we see it today is still relatively new and so fast paced that people don’t even know what makes a good employee much less manager.
90% of the men I worked with were fantastic and friendly but most of those 90% were unable or unwilling to step up when there were issues with the other 10%. I worked somewhere with almost daily harassment from a techbro guy and although others were willing to admit it was a problem behind closed doors it was all just blank stares from them when I said anything to him.
Elon Musk is my go to when I have to explain it. Basically no one that actually works in tech is like him but somehow he’s still at the top. He knows nothing about the day to day but does just enough to ruin things. People still work for him though and look the other way when he does terrible things because he is the boss. If guys like him didn’t exist tech would be a fine industry.