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Nato is considering being “more aggressive” in responding to Russia’s cyber attacks, sabotage and airspace violations, according to the alliance’s most senior military officer.

Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone told the Financial Times that the western military alliance was looking at stepping up its response to hybrid warfare from Moscow.

“We are studying everything . . . On cyber, we are kind of reactive. Being more aggressive or being proactive instead of reactive is something that we are thinking about,” said Dragone, who is chair of Nato’s military committee.

Europe has been hit by numerous hybrid war incidents — some attributed to Russia and others unclear — from the cutting of cables in the Baltic Sea to cyber attacks across the continent.

Dragone said that a “pre-emptive strike” could be considered a “defensive action”, but added: “It is further away from our normal way of thinking and behaviour.”

A Baltic diplomat said: “If all we do is continue being reactive, we just invite Russia to keep trying, keep hurting us. Especially when hybrid warfare is asymmetric — it costs them little, and us a lot. We need to try to be more inventive.”

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      11 hours ago

      I would be fucking perfect. My favourite game to play online is devil’s advocate. I’ll argue anyone’s position. I’ll sow revolt or something because fuck discord

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          Nobody asked me but I got banned from feddit once, and from ml with almost every account if I used it long enough but I keep coming back because they still have some good communities

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          No, but my previous account on lemm.ee was banned from Hexbear after, IIRC, one or two comments.

          It also took me an entire one comment to get banned from /r/sino back in the day. My comments on /r/conservative also got deleted, wonder why.

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          Those eyes, ears, and tongue belong to the collective!

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          Not yet of course, I only know how to swear in Russian and I understand when a Russian is asking me for a cigarette. And I know how to say I have a big dick (which isn’t necessarily something I say very often since it’s pretty average, but when I was in camp as a teenager, a 14 year old Russian kid taught me). But I’m good with languages, I can learn.

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    Nothing serious, just walking down the national focus tree, while world tension increases in HOI4.

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    It hasn’t been ‘pre-emptive’ for some time now, which is rather the point.

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      fr. all this phrasing does is give people who claim their support of russia (an imperial power) is anti-imperial in nature talking points

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      You are absolutely right, it can at most be considered retaliation at this point.

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        A defensive response aimed at spoiling the enemy’s preparations is shockingly enough called a spoiling attack.

        If NATO can’t get their messaging right on the most basic of rhetoric it’s not a great sign, at least in regards to the state of their PR department.

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      dEfEnsIVe tReATy

      Yes exactly. That’s why it should’ve taken up a stronger deFeNsIvE response much ealier .

      Ps @randomname Just saw you rEAllY lIkEd hiS uSe of cApItAls tOo. Lol

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        Please look up what a preemptive strike is.

        I for one care less for an all out war on Russia. But I’d just be someone who’d be forced to fight in that war. No biggie. /s

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          Your literally started with " “nAtO iS A dEfEnsIVe tReATy” /s"…

          Please look up what a is. I for one care less for an all out war on Russia. But I’d just be someone who’d be forced to fight in that war. No biggie. /s"

          Now, you take this one specific word, “preemptive strike”, from the whole article without any context, and then make the whole ruzz agression only about yourself. As if Nato will be forcing you to fight, instead of YOU possibly defending your (way of) life , friends, neighbours and family againstan ongoing proactive preemptive Ruzz hybrid agression. ^^

          Here the quote from the article:

          “We are studying everything . . . On cyber, we are kind of reactive. Being more aggressive or being proactive instead of reactive is something that we are thinking about,” said Dragone, who is chair of Nato’s military committee."

          So being “proactive” while usually being reactive and being alreafy many years in a non-provocated hybrid war is something entirely different then what you claim it to be.

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            As if Nato will be forcing you to fight, instead of YOU possibly defending your (way of) life , friends, neighbours

            Wow. State propaganda got you good. What good does my “(way of) life” do me if I’m lying dead in a trench, blown up by a drone?

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              Then don’t die or learn to protect yourself. What are you even talking about?

              For now there is only voluntary military draftings, and you can still migrate to a safer place, if you can find one.

              So how do you plan on staying safe, if nobody would protect Europe? It’s not like there is much choice in the end now is there? Sometimes you have to be realistic.

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                Then don’t die or learn to protect yourself.

                Great advice. Those millions dying in all the wars in world history should’ve just got gud, huh? /s

                What are you even talking about?

                Mandatory military service

                For now there is only voluntary military drafting,

                Not for long if Europe goes into open war with Russia. You can bet on that.

                you can still migrate to a safer place, if you can find one.

                Will probably need to do that, yes. Still not a fan of uprooting my (and my family’s) whole life.

                So how do you plan on staying safe, if nobody would protect Europe?

                Safe from what, exactly? From Russia? Russia doesn’t plan on attacking Europe. And even if: it’s not like capitalism is that much different if done in Russian.

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                  Not for long if Europe goes into open war with Russia. You can bet on that.

                  Uh, the person you’re responding to is wrong. Pretty much all (if not actually all, since Belarus is kinda hard to count, so if you count it as Russia as well then Belarus neighbour states don’t all but) nations bordering Russia do have conscription.

                  We Finns never let go of ours and even Poland has only had like a 15 year break.

                  We’re ready motherfuckers

                  Russia doesn’t plan on attacking Europe

                  What you mean is Russia won’t launch an all-out offensive because it knows it would lose and possibly trigger nuclear holocaust. Which is why Russia is forced to attack in these cowardly ways of manipulating media, cutting undersea cables and even using terrorism to strike civilians.

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                  Russia doesn’t plan on attacking Europe.

                  Except that they ALREADY have attacked Europe, TWICE in the last decade. You are a delusional person, keep sucking up that Russian propaganda.

                  Fyi, Ukraine is in Europe.

                  Russia has also invaded NATO aligned airspace, cut infrastructure lines in the ocean, likely blew up a critical fuel pipeline, continues aggressive cyber warfare, bombed a railway in Poland, and pays for bots and misinformation campaigns and supports right wing fascism in the US and EU.

                  I.e. Europe has been under Russian attack for at least a decade now.