• wyrmroot@programming.dev
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    Looks interesting. Let’s paste in a NY Times article that I couldn’t read earlier.

    12ft has been disabled for this site

    …neat

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    This doesn’t work nearly as well as it did in the past. I don’t know the story behind 12ft, but they seem to be complying with any site which has requested it to not work on their articles.

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        haven’t used bloomberg in a minute but wasn’t it as easy as blocking java script? (and that’s something you should be doing anyway.)

        hell you got a second to scroll the article before it locked out scrolling so you could just reload the page and scroll down to where you where reading if you where on say a work computer and couldn’t install shit.

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          Just tried both tricks on Bloomberg, neither works.

          (I am also not a huge fan of NoScript. I know why people use it but I don’t want to take all that brokenness. The thing that makes ad blockers mass-compatible is that they have auto-updating block lists. I do have an own list to kill some additional disrespectful behaviors from websites like chat bots though.)

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                  Not so in Firefox. F12, Settings, Disable JS, and then you need to keep dev tools open to stop the page from reloading (or maybe you can enter reader mode and then close dev tools).

                  Anywho. Kinda far from the point now that we’re discussing how to disable JS in dev tools which doesn’t fix my issue after I mentioned that I don’t like NoScript, an extension which also doesn’t fix my issue after we discussed how 12ftio yet again doesn’t fix my issue.

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                  You probably shouldnt assume that your experience applies to others or even that they find the same experience manageable

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      That’s like when AdBlock Plus told advertisers they could be bribed to let their ads through.

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        Some websites seem to hardly circumvent reader view, but to the point where it can be inconvenient. Reader Mode only works with the NY Times if I rapidly click on the “Toggle reader view” button whilst it’s loading, otherwise it’ll cut off. But it still does work brilliantly most of the time and gets the job done.

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          Well there’s always the option to mash the Escape key/Stop button before the pop-up can show. It works on The Washington Post at least.

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    I hate paywalls as much as anyone, but I’ve been thinking lately… how can we expect to fund quality journalism without paying for any news? Is it viable to rely on donations alone?

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      I thought about it years ago. Came to the conclusion that they would have to be extremely popular. Good journalists have good pays, after all.

      Edit: I think there should be some multi-national free/objective reporting fund to make it possible.

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        Mmm, there is something like that in the UK. It’s called a TV licence. The idea stopped working with the advent of the internet. Why pay into the funds when you can get everything you want for free?

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      I agree and still don’t have a solution. I read a lot of news and I like to read different views on the same topic, like reading a very leftish and a very conservative article. But I just cant pay all of them. :/

      My idea was to pay two different newspapers (one for daily news the other a monthly magazine) so that I pay at least some journalists and read the rest for free. And then change whom I am paying every year or two. For this I need antipaywall to still read the rest…

      Now with some friends we have subscriptions to different newspapers and share them, but usually u have a fixed amount of devices you can connect to one subscription so more than 3 newspapers is difficult already.

      I really liked this flattr idea but I think it died. It was something like you give an amount of money every month to your flattr account and then when you read articles and you liked them you press the flattr button.l at the end of the article. At the end of the month flatttr would distribute your money among all sites that you clicked the bottom with the amount corresponding to how many articles you liked… very good idea. But died(?) with paywalls.

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    It’s no longer a reliable solution. Most paywalls now just throw a javascript confirmation at it’s IP that breaks the ability to display the article.

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      And worse, 12-Foot Ladder intentionally doesn’t work on many newspaper sites. Maybe they got some cease-and-desist letters, but for bypassing paper paywalls it’s often useless.

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        I read somewhere that they work together with some companies and disabled their service in those news sites. But whether this co-op has monetary gains for 12ft or is the result from cease and desist orders, that I don’t know

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      12ft and google cache often ends up with HUGE images. I assume sites are using very large image sizes that they are then down-scaling in a way that these sites can’t parse.

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        Apparently that’s a transient problem for even people who use it all the time, normally without issues. I’ve never used it myself but read a conversation about it the other day.

        I’m pleased as punch that (nearly) everyone on Lemmy seems to post non-paywalled links, talks about the sites, and exposes them to everyone else.

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    Over the years I’ve tried this site every now and the with varying results. Generally speaking, I seem to be interested in the types of articles where it doesn’t work.