Has anyone here ever successfully deprogrammed anyone from believing in the myth of welfare fraud, that the dems are giving handouts left and right, etc.? Asking because I’ve been talking to my mom and…look, I’m sorry, but the elevator just doesn’t go to the top floor.

I graduated from college in May, and my parents have parent PLUS loans, and the monthly payment is $473. They’re both complaining about the payment but boast about voting for Trump. Obviously, no, electoralism won’t save anyone, but it’s like talking to a brick wall when I explain to my mom that if she wants any chance of debt relief (or cares at all about the future of her disabled lesbian daughter), she can’t vote Republican. But everything I say gets countered with “I don’t think people should get handouts.” When I ask what handouts Biden has given, eh can’t come up with anything. Ironically, she frequently gripes about how her unemployment checks are usually late.

It’s infuriating and honestly it’s looking like our relationship will soon become a birthday and christmas only type of thing unless she shapes up. I’m sick of having family who actively support politics that harm me. I suppose it shouldn’t be surprising when they both emotionally abused me for the better part of a quarter of a century. Having an actual support system irl seems so hopeless that I’ve been in a severe depressive episode for the past day.

Still, anyone had any luck with this? I keep explaining how the dems aren’t a left wing party, neither party is for an abundance of benefits, etc. But it’s like talking to a brick wall. I apologize if this post should’ve gone elsewhere.

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    Socialist countries had much less welfare than capitalist ones. Turns out there is no need for unemployment benefits and most other programs when full employment for livable wage is the state policy.

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      Exactly. I suspect whenever I talk about the reality of the USSR or other AES she just tunes it out because I was born after the cold war ended, though. I’ll keep trying.

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      I get what you’re saying, but I would still like unemployment benefits to still exist in such countries. As an extra layer of security.

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        In socialist Poland work was mandatory for everyone who was able to work, and people purposely avoiding work that were called “social parasites” (i remember some of them they were usually lumpens), but even they weren’t thrown under the bus, they recieved social help, housing etc.

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          Between having people who refuse to work get benefits from the government versus having people who refuse to work rob people, think giving them benefits is still a better option for society.

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            Of course, that’s why it had been done. They were also like entry level to what counted as underworld in PRL so militia asked them first whenver something was up.