It’s perplexing how a nation that once liberated the world from fascism is now becoming fascist and triggering fascist movements worldwide.
Note that prior to getting involved in the war, there was substantial support for the Nazis among Americans. It’s always been there. It just got swept under the carpet for a few decades, though if you go back and look at the politics of the fifties, you’ll see mcarthyism and all sort of court cases on indecency and lots and lots of violence against homosexuals.
I don’t think I spelled mcarthyism correctly. It’s early and I’m not inclined to bother spell checking.
It should also be noted that Adolf Hitler based some of his ideology off of the proto-fascism of pre-Civil War America (and the deep racial inequalities which persisted afterwards), and praised it his book Mein Kamph.
Yeah, I’m absolutely not perplexed by American fascism in the slightest.
I think we can also show we didn’t do what people think what we did when we look at things on a time line.
WW2 ended in 1945.
Emmett Till was murdered in 55. 10 years later. Ruby Bridges went to what was an all white school in 1960. That was 15 years later. The Civil Rights Act happened in 1964. 19 years later. The MOVE Bombing happened in 85. 40 years later.
The Stonewall Riots happened in 69. 24 years later. The UpStairs Lounge Arson attack happened in 73. Which was 28 years later. Harvey Milk was assassinated in 78. 33 years later. The Shelby bookstore murders happened in 87. So 42 years after.
We can sit here and list different events all day that happened after the war. We were the good guys off fighting evil, and those soldiers would totally hate the bigotry we see today… Except there’s a good chance that tbe vast majority of them weren’t any better. Even the black soldiers still weren’t allowed to fight with the white ones. We were fighting fascism over there while it was still happening over here.
McCarthyism, close enough lol
Stopping fascism wasn’t the point. After liberating the camps, they even threw the homosexuals right back in. (Source)
They were just worried that the USSR was going to beat them to Berlin, and then keep going across the entirety of Europe. Likely a valid concern, to be fair.
a nation that once liberated the world from fascism
It’s gross how USAins keep parroting this nationalistic bullshit about their role in ww2.
You guys didn’t liberate anything by showing up late for the war, and you tried your damnedest to spread your abhorrent racism in every country you landed in.
Yeah, nah. You had it right up until we didnt help liberate anything. France seemed pretty appreciative of our help then and now. Not arguing the “abhorrent racism” par it is true and we’re continually working on it. Generational issues don’t get solved overnight.
As a person of Dutch descent who is alive today because US GIs liberated a concentration camp right before my grandmother starved to death, this is extremely offensive, and you can go fuck yourself with your puerile contrarianism.
Shutting down a few concentration camps is not ‘liberating the world from fascism’.
My grandparents and their families were in the camps too, and most didn’t come out alive. I’m not detracting from the atrocities of ww2 by telling the American to stop spouting propaganda.
Go fuck yourself with your revisionist agenda. The fact remains that Russians were the ones who liberated the world from Nazism, and they are doing the same today. You hate Russia commonly on every political Lemmy thread, so you want to spread your alternate dimension agenda.
Yes, we covered the puerile contrarianism already.
Contrarianism is when revisionist bullshit is prevented, got it!
I was thinking it was the cringe car stickers, but you just keep doing you. It’s more embarrassing than anything I could ever say.
True, you need not even say anything to embarrass yourself. It must be hard.
USA and western colonialist powers waited till the last moment to see if Hitler could push back against USSR, and sort out his weaponry management. Reich failed against USSR’s might, and Allies came in to suddenly help. However, the real motives got revealed quickly.
While a romantic prose, I wouldn’t go saying they liberated the world of anything like that until it was almost too late.
But when they finally did fight, fuck yeah, they fought.
Its perplexing how Anglo people keep trying to rewrite history about the eradication of Nazism. Russia and China suffered a combined total of over 50 million deaths to eradicate Nazism, only for the leftover Nazis to evacuate to USA under the Operation Paperclip, and some remaining within Europe, going on to…
Its almost like neofascist revisionists exist among us!
Speaking of revisionism, saying the Kuomintang (because the CCP didn’t do shit in that war), helped eradicate Nazism when they solely fought Japan while also pretending the Soviets didn’t steal all the scientists they could find is pretty up there as well.
Their version was called Operation Osoaviakhim btw.
And it took about 1,000 more specialists than Paperclip did. 2500 compared to 1600.
Kuomintang helped eradicate what? Do you even fucking know when WW2 happened? Do you know that KMT was driven away to Formosa, what you people today call Taiwan (ROC province of China)? Kuomintang was led by a Japanese fascist dictator called Chiang Kai-Shek. You do not even understand how KMT worked. KMT did not exist in mainland after the CPC won in 1910s.
People like you are not scholars or enthusiasts, but intellectually dishonest revisionists.
Edit: I now understand what you mean by Operation Osoaviakhim, repeating that same old anti-communist nonsense that Nazi Germany and Soviet communists were friends because of some wartime complications (Soviet occupation areas during 1946 in the post-defeat Nazi Germany and Berlin). You are even worse.
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Please stop posting your face on the internet.
It’s perplexing how people once liberated from nazism act like nazi and get litterally a wild card.
Wtf are you talking about
I love it, objected to by “Moms for Liberty”. I guess that works in fascist land where words mean the opposite of what they are.
And leave it to one of these bullshit ‘Liberty’ or ‘Patriot’ organizations to completely distract from the point that Anne Frank was a teenage girl growing up in an attic, hiding from an insanely hateful political group/police who wanted to kill her and her entire family.I should build a special little bookshelf with books banned by moms for liberty just for my kids.
Edit: talked to my SO, we’re going to do a Little Free Library of them
“Moms for Liberty” is a straight up hate group. Like, I’m not doing that hyperbole thing. They are racist bigot fascists dead set on white, straight supremacy.
No offense man, and I’m not an expert on this group, but the fact you chose to use so many buzz words tells me they probably aren’t all those things. Misguided maybe, but people will take you more seriously if you don’t use the hyperbole you claim to not use.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Meh I don’t care enough about a bunch of moms with their panties in a twist or you to do any research. But please don’t convince yourself you’re right because someone didn’t take the time to prove you wrong. It’s not like you presented any evidence yourself. Just buzz word accusations.
For someone who isn’t an expert and doesn’t care, you sure seem to know something the rest of us don’t, and are real invested in making sure we know.
Of course you’re exaggerating now. I already said I don’t know much about them. When you drop a shit ton of buzz words, people will assume you’re using at least some hyperbole. But alright man, I’m sure they’re worst group on the planet. You were right and I’m wrong. I apologize.
What? It’s objectively true. Your method of “someone used extreme words on Lemmy therefore I don’t believe it” isn’t a very realistic research method.
One of their first group letters had a quote from Hitler on it. And it wasn’t like the old memes where they didn’t know. They credited it as from Hitler. They pit a Hitler quote on the front page. Let that sink in. We get insulted for calling people Nazis and racists, but they literally put a quote from Hitler on the front page.
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I doubt anyone will achieve the latter, but yes. These days the words Liberty and Patriot have been hijacked by regressive, reactionary religious fanatics.
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They’d fire every single teacher. These are Republicans - they don’t want kids getting good educations cause your average educated person doesn’t vote Republican
They specifically don’t want good sex educate, because that teaches about consent, instead of ownership
The graphic novel, written by Ari Folman and illustrated by David Polonsky, adapts the diary of 13-year-old Anne Frank, who wrote while hiding in an annexe in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam. Eighth-grade students were reportedly shown a section of the graphic novel where Frank reflected on her own genitals and wanted to see a female friend’s breasts, according to KFDM.
So basically exactly like all of the 13 yr olds in the class, who are probably taught at home how their body parts are shameful.
Were they specifically shown just that part? Or was it part of reading the entire thing? I could see how the first scenario would be a bit odd and would like more context but if it’s just in the book they were reading then this article is kind of misleading.
Also agree with you that this is totally normal thing for 8th graders to think about… the book was written by someone their own age for fucks sake.
From an interview with David Polonsky, the illustrator:
In illustrating those more sensitive pages, Polonsky says he took great care to make sure nothing was too explicit for young readers.
Frank’s musings about vaginas are illustrated with a black and white swirl, inspired by painter Georgia O’Keefe’s famously vaginal flowers, he said. When Frank ponders female nudes, Polonsky draws her walking through a garden surrounded by Greek sculptures.
“I took inspiration from Anne’s own world. She was really into Greek art and sculptures,” he said. “I decided to show the nudes through classical marble sculptures, which I believed six years ago would be a mainstream thing that wouldn’t be too controversial.”
The illustrations from the book.
Georgia O’Keefe’s famously vaginal flowers
This book was out for six years before it became a “problem”. Real “someone think of the poor children” bullshit moral panic that is thinly disguising its fascism.
That would have been my assumption but I always like to get as much detail about situations like this as possible in case something is being misrepresented to push a particular agenda. Looking at your links I have to agree with you.
Without the illustrations to show that it’s age appropriate it’s easy for people to assume the worst.
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People really need to harp on about this more. It’s become the hardest argument for gun control to refute.
The courts have ruled that the 2a is an inalienable right, and the rest are up for debate… honestly surprised they haven’t debated overturning the NFA
Any argument for gun control is hard for them to refute. The difference with this one is that they don’t bother trying. They’ve yet to offer a good rebuttal for any gun control argument.
We accept some criminals escaping justice so that we minimize the number of innocent people who are deprived of their freedom. Most people don’t find that provocative. It’s the same basic argument to say that we accept some lesser evil (gun violence) to ensure a greater evil does not come to pass (tyranny). Assuming the first condition leada to the second.
If that protective mechanism (an armed populace) were functioning adequately, you would expect to see at least some fringe evidence of it both being active, and creating a benefit for society (ostensibly causing tyrants to back off). Bad as things are getting, we don’t see evidence of either. Each day it becomes clearer that the argument is invalid.
I live in the south. I know lots of gun owners. Every one of them bases their whole concept of this right on self defense and civil duty. It’s convenient to think that it’s as simple as gun owners want to be able to play at being tough and have dangerous toys, and don’t care about anyone else getting hurt. You’re also not going to.change anyone’s mind if you don’t get to the reasons they actually believe what they do, right or wrong.
Just my 2 cents.
Lol…. The “tyranny” bit is over man. It’s old. It doesn’t work any more. Armed citizens will not stop an overreaching government. Maybe they could have in the past- but no longer. Our military can turn anyone in this country to dust with such precision so as not to disturb their neighbors rose garden.
You really think that “we need guns to stop a tyrannical government!” really holds any water anymore? This just illustrates my point:
There are no logical pro gun arguments.
But let’s assume for the sake of, well…. My amusement- that a well armed militia actually COULD stop a tyrannical government- hell-bent on stripping citizens of their rights….
Why aren’t they?
We have LGBTQ+ nearly being hunted in the streets, as well as women’s reproductive rights that now seemingly belong to the government.
So…
Where are all your “don’t tread on me friends and their guns?”
Know what? Don’t answer. We all know.
You might want to read my post again, because that’s literally what I said. Where are they? They have no answer, and that shows the argument (hedge against tyranny) is bullshit. My point is that some reasons are deeply held and others are not. This one is the deeply held one, and it’s the one people need to keep hammering home. If the 2nd amendment is a hedge against tyranny, why don’t we see the beginnings of unrest? Conservatives may give different reasons they think things are going to shit, but they also think things are going to shit. And.they have no answer about why nothing’s being done about it.
Apologies. I misunderstood where you were coming from. Re-read and well said.
“This book adapted explicitly from writings at the time doesn’t depict the Holocaust accurately” fucking batshit
Moms for Liberty are just mad that the book doesn’t portray the nazis as the good guys like their newsletter does.
They never have a problem with Mein Kampf.
America’s pearl clutching around all sexual topics is so insane to me. 13 year olds are gonna think about their genitals and who they’re attracted to, so why is it that we have to treat the idea of sexuality as taboo? God forbid adolescents don’t feel shame for completely normal feelings
I guess the long lasting cultural effects of antiquated abrahamic religion is the cause. But horrific violence? Meh no prob. Make war not love, I guess.
It’s mass sexual abuse for mind control.
It’s a way to keep the Christian nationalists to keep voting. True of all the culture crap keep Christ in Christmas and stuff like that. If they can’t keep the religious bigots voting then it will really go badly for the trumpy grumpies.
The Dutch “Avondshow met Arjen Lubach” did a funny piece on this. A lot of people are laughing at the US, or it ultra-conservative parts at least, but it’s a bit sad that’s it’s so bad, to be honest.
That is indeed equal parts really funny and then really sad knowing this is part of being American.
This is why I’ll never tolerate people saying I’m exaderating when I call them Nazis ever again
I’m having problems parsing this sentence
They meant “exaggerating”
Aside from that the sentence is a bit garden pathy
Lol haha
Heaven forbid we see the thoughts of a normal kid growing up in a war that she wouldn’t see the end of.
If I wasn’t an American I would find the back and forth idiocy of Texas and Florida hilarious. I mean, one does some crazy stupid shit and they other says hold my beer.
LOL, tell me II have to check if a book is approve before talking about it and it and I will resign on spot. I’m dead serious. Conservatives seem to see in schools ans teachers the new enemy. Teaching is an already shitty under-paid job, I suggest they stop pushing against people who take care of their spoiled stupid kids 40 hours a week, unless they want to take care of education themself.
unless they want to take care of education themself.
Oh, they do. That’s part of the problem.
Eh, then it will eventually become a borderline daycare center for anyone who can’t pay for the serious education/indoctrination.
I can’t imagine why anyone would want to teach in a red state (or county, etc.) The pay is shit, you always have to think twice before even alluding to an unpopular truth, and every day you risk becoming a headline.
Because you are rooted there, you care about the people around you, and you want to improve things in your community. Not everyone is willing to just give up and leave their community to fascists.
I remember going to the Holocaust museum in 8th grade. How times have changed.
My school had a “Holocaust” week when I was in 8th grade. They re-enacted separating out specific kids as “jews” (they were chosen at random not based off anything) and discriminated against them in various ways on the first day to give an idea of what it was like. We had no advanced warning this was going to happen we just came in one morning and all the teachers were in the gym pulling people out of their various groups secret police style and lining them up. I actually got in trouble for giving one of them a piece of candy later in the day. All our classes were put off that week and it was just learning about the holocaust in detail all day for the whole week and they did not pull any punches. I still remember some of the images they showed us to this day. At the end we had to do a presentation on ANOTHER genocide (I got Khemer Rouge) and go into detail on that one. Honestly it was one of the most educational experiences I ever had in school.
Glad I read the article. She wasn’t fired for showing the book to hers students. She was fired for showing an unapproved book (which I then assume is not in the 8th grade curriculum) to her students. Teaching outside the curriculum is generally a big no no.
The question should be, why is that book not approved? That’s a rhetorical question btw.
Despite claims by school officials that the adaptation had not been approved, KFDM notes that the book “was on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year,” so the district’s suggestion that the teacher “went rogue” seems…not true at all in the, y’know, actual sense of the word. A source close to the teacher told KFDM that the school’s principal had approved a syllabus that included the book. “There is an active investigation,” Mike Canizales, a spokesperson for the Hamshire-Fannett ISD, told the outlet.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/texas-school-fires-teacher-over-anne-frank-graphic-novel
Interesting. Could be some left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing stuff. I don’t want to imply malicious intent when blantent incompetence is just as likely. If this book was approved, but accidentally left off the official curriculum, then the teacher should obviously get their job back.
Why the fuck do books need to be approved? Is that a common thing in the US?
In Canada, I’ve never checked a text with my principal before assigning it.
The curriculum does not list approved resources; teachers are professionals who are trained to select appropriate materials to cover the material.
Higher ups that make way more than the actual teachers some having never taught a day in their life’s make decisions on what should be taught and how.
I left my education major behind cause I saw the state of how school districts in most states were being handled.
Well, no. A core curriculum is approved for each grade. Now I don’t know if it’s so specific that it’s broken down to every book. I would definitely like to get some more details on this particular situation. This book banning thing is getting out of hand.
