The notion that third parties are viable in the Presidential election – especially when it’s only a month or two away and most people don’t have a clue who the third-party candidates even are! – is 100% misinformation.

I never said anything of the sort. I said I was proud to vote third party, and I’m still proud to. And I will in the next election too. :)

No, we lost against Trump. Me and you. Because you’ve comprehensively fucked your own future, too, even if you haven’t figured it out yet.

No, just you. My future hasn’t been fucked at all. I’ve been a prepper since before there was even a word for it.

See, I didn’t trust either side, so I made the necessary changes to my life that made it so I’m untouchable. Started doing several elections ago. Way up here north in the remote interior. I own my own land, my house, and my rigs outright, all paid off. I have zero debt. I’ve got enough saved up that I don’t need to work ever again. I haven’t had to work a job for the last 6 years.

I live in an unorganized borough with basically no property taxes. I’m zero debt and fully off-grid. Well water right on my property, plus rainwater and snowmelt catchment for backup, we get plenty of precip up here. I run a solid garden (made my own greenhouses to extend seasons), keep chickens, goats, and a few other animals. Me and my gf hunt and fish to fill the freezer. Around here we eat moose, deer, salmon, whatever the fuck is in season. Solar panels and battery bank power everything, with propane for backup and lotsa wood for heat when needed.

My neighbors are all cut from the same cloth. All of us are independent, trustworthy folks living the exact same way. We can’t depend on anyone else to bail us out anyway. lol

Guy, nothing you or Trump or the Democrats or any politician say or do down there has any effect on me or my life whatsoever.

You can’t even drive to where I am. Only fly in, take the railroad flagstop, boat, or snowmachine depending on the season. That’s why the guy trying to doxx me had such a tough time of it.

Picture an Amish-style self-sufficient life but Alaska-rugged, non-religious, and I still run tech like solar, batteries, and satellite internet where it actually helps. Politics doesn’t touch any of this. Never has, never will.

I’m as free as one can be in the current world. And most aren’t tough enough to even worry about trying to change that. It’s fucking awesome!! :)

but you are not entitled to your own facts.

But me saying that I didn’t like Harris so I chose to vote third party, is not giving false facts. So I shouldn’t have been censored. If you think that is worthy of censorship, then that says a lot about you. lol

Nazi is as nazi does. Doing things that further the objectives of nazis makes you their ally. If you don’t like being accurately described that way, stop helping the nazis!

Sigh…and so it begins. I’m not a nazi just because I voted third party. lol I’m glad you are saying this in this thread tho, so people can see what it’s like.

and I’m mad at you because your delusional fuck-up helped destroy my children’s future!

How so? I already told you that if every single third party voter had voted for Harris, she would still have lost. That’s how large the margin of loss was for her. The party that you suppport picked her. And you still support them. That’s on you, guy. Not me. As long as you continue to support them and the “No matter who, vote blue” mindset, what reason do they have to change? You are enabling them.

I am seriously considering fleeing the country because of people like you!

Good luck. I think you’ll find out that lots of countries are even more strict than we are when it comes to immigration policies. To find a country that would accept you and that’s better or even as good as the US is gonna be tough. It’s slim pickings out there.

I can’t/won’t name names, but I will say, seems like ya were definitely around during those times!

He does seem to have changed his behaviour a lot, as have many others. So not sure if it’s because of reality or trying to not get called out now, but it’s still refreshing to see positive changes when it comes to ban hammers.

No shit I wrote that every time, because that was the main part of my point!

And also the part that kept you from getting your comments removed and censored. Which is my main point. Lemmy should be open enough not to remove comments (unless outright hate and/or illegal) just because someone has a different view on things.

Luckilly, that’s changed lately. I see a huge shift turning. Not it’s not nearly as controversial or ban-worthy to say ya like third parties and will vote that way.

In fact, I claim that many, if not most, of the people you characterize as full-throated Harris supporters trying to censor you were actually very reluctantly Harris-voting progressives and leftists desperately trying to get you to stop making the worst possible outcome happen.

And I can be on board for that. What I am not on board is the hate, and the ban hammer. Disagree with me and say so, cool. Calling me a nazi and racist though, not so cool. The amount of censorship, i.e. removing comments and banning was uncalled for. I legit got banned from several different instances. Yet, I didn’t say anything more controversial than what you and I have been discussing and saying in this thread.

To your point, yeah, it was a different time in 2024. My point is that it should never have been that way. Lemmy should be better. Again, it is getting better about that now.

The great thing about Lemmy, and the reason I am still here, is because of the idea that one person or group can’t permaban you from all of Lemmy. So I was able to start fresh and avoid the doxxers (yes, I had three, but I suspect was same person, so…) and the downvote brigaders.

Now I have several different usernames on several different instances. So I’m def gonna be here thru next election cycle too. lol

and then still hold your nose and vote

Nope. Not me. Imma vote for whoever I want, whenever I want.

The anti-Harris propaganda also discouraged people from voting at all.

Guess Dems should have picked a better candidate that would have overcome that. You all lost against Trump. Trump!! Of all people! lol

It’s great! Because now is the appropriate time for it. Now is the time it can actually work instead of screwing all of us over.

Cool. That means we have to vote for them in elections though. All elections. Even 2028.

Also, the bigger point is that even IF all who voted third party in 2024 would have voted Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big the margin of her loss was. Trump didn’t win because people voted third party.

My position then, was (paraphrased) “harris sucks, but vote for her anyway because the alternative is worse.” And that was true.

Well yeah, because you added you little disclaimer. Imagine if you didn’t have that disclaimer, you’d have had a much different reaction. lol

I proudly voted third party then, and I’ll proudly vote third party again if democrats keep making the same mistakes.

Meh, fair point. I did go a little far with that line. I’ll edit.

But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.

Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!

Then maybe you should stop being pissed off and yelling at people who support other parties.

Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!

So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?! I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

Because of the way the US electoral system works

Which you perpetuate by yelling at people, and trying to discourage them from vote third party. If every single person that was fed up, balled up and voted third party, then shit would change. But nah, you keep screaming at them and confusing them.

Not me. You don’t confuse me or scare me. :)

LOL. I did say those things back then, and yet I’m still here. QED.

I doubt you said those things in Oct and Nov of 2024. But hey if ya did, and managed to not get banned, good for ya. But lots of people were heavily brigaded and banned for saying stuff like that in October 2024.

You haven’t given any examples of being censored (i.e. having your comments deleted by the mods or admins); you’ve only complained about how other users treated you.

Like I am gonna go down that path. I had comments removed, I was banned from multiple communities, some literally said, I was banned for “bOtH sIdEs.” Dude, I had people trying to dox me. You’d love me to post proof wouldn’t ya? Because then all the doxxing would start to happen again. Nah…thanks, but not thanks.

But you’re either confused or not telling the whole story, because there is no such thing as “Lemmy” as a monolithic entity that can have a single opinion like that. You’re actually talking about the decision of one admin of one instance, but attempting to crucify everyone on the entire network for it.

See above. Also, I realize that Lemmy isn’t one person, but I think it’s pretty much common knowledge that most of lemmy has the same opinion about lots of things. Just like when people say “The United States thinks…” doesn’t actually mean every single person in the US, but what you feel is a vast majority. Same thing, guy.

Because NOW it’s appropriate! BACK THEN it was objectively a mistake, and the passage of time does not retroactively change that!

It was never appropriate to censor differing opinions. Especially on a platform as small as Lemmy. Every single person in Lemmy could have voted for Harris, and it wouldn’t have done fuck all to change the election. There just aren’t that many people on Lemmy.

You are legit just saying, “Oh, well it was a different time back then…” Think about that. Hmmm, how many people on the wrong side of history have said that about their actions. Think about that.

In 2028 – if we even have free and fair elections at all, because that’s how catastrophic your preferred outcome has been! – I will be there begging, pleading and screaming for you to quit trying to help the fascists by telling people not to vote for the candidate opposing them. And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that’s not what censorship is.

What makes you think I wanted Trump to win? I didn’t vote for him. We have the right to vote for whoever we want to win, regardless of odds or “math.” If I wanted Trump to win, I could have voted for him. But I didn’t. Because he wasn’t my choice. Just because your candidate lost, don’t get mad at me.

Even if every single person who voted third party, put their vote towards Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how bad the margin was. If you wanna be mad, be mad at the people who didn’t vote.

Better yet, be mad at the party you voted for, who chose a lackluster candidate who lost. :)

And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that’s not what censorship is.

Sure you can yell if you want. I support your right to do that. I support your right to vote for whoever you want. But shouldn’t you support my right to as well? And I don’t think yelling at me is censorship. I think removing my posts, trying to brigade downvote me, follow me around on Lemmy downvoting out of spite, and trying supporting efforts to block me is censorship (not as in legal definition).

Thanks for commenting. You providing a great example of how mad people were about going against the tide in those days.

Thanks for proving my point. I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lolol EDIT: A little too much snark, but poster is definitely showing how angry some people can be when it comes to third-party talk.

Again, being called out on your bullshit isn’t the same thing as being “censored.”

Me saying that I support third parties because I was unhappy with both democrat and republican parties, isn’t being “called out” on my “bullshit.” It was fucking censorship.

I was called a nazi and a racist and a Trumper for saying that. None of it was true. How is that being called out?

Do you realize that what you said about Harris in your comments, would have been ban-worthy back in 2024 just before the election? Do you think that’s ok?!

Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you’re responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.

That’s how it was back then. lolol

The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”

Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.

Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no!

So why didn’t you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it’s right to censor someone for what you just said?

That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.

The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don’t have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.

Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.

And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?

RootsAction, a progressive advocacy group that conducted its own analysis of Democrats’ 2024 loss, said in a statement that the DNC’s refusal to publicize its findings “undermines the goal of defeating Trumpism.”

Thank you for this!

Hell yeah, brother. I stand next to you. Proudly. I was hated on Lemmy for proclaiming this back during the '24 election, but I didn’t change my mind. Glad to see more and more people willing to stand up and say it.