Formerly /u/Zagorath on the alien site.

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Cake day: 2023年6月15日

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  • No, I’m pointing out that one particular style of cheese has been conflated by the region. But parmesan cheese is a style of cheese. You wouldn’t start calling a smooth, creamy, yellow cheese “parmesan” just because it was made in Parma. No, that’s still gouda. Likewise, a hard granular aged cheese doesn’t become gouda when you make it in the town of Gouda. In fact, if that was true, I’d probably have more respect for the geographic indications. If any style of cheese was Parmesan when made in Parma, then the word “Parmesan” would be an accurate adjective worthy of protection, in the same way I’m saying “Belgian chocolate” should be protected for chocolate made in Belgium. But they insist on saying it’s one specific style of cheese. But they want you to only call it by the name of the style of cheese that it is if it’s also made there. No thanks.

    The name belongs to the style, and the EU’s protectionist policies don’t change that fact.


  • Why would you think I need to look anything up?

    I think you’re right that capitalism is involved. But the capitalists are the ones rigidly trying to enforce one of the most ludicrous types of intellectual property. If someone says “parmesan cheese” or “champagne”, I don’t care where it was made. I care about the qualities of the product itself. Which can be made anywhere. All that happens when they restrict it is they’re artificially supporting businesses in one area by giving them a state-sponsored monopoly on an entire class of product.

    It’s not super different from trademarks. And while I’m not necessarily in favour of the total abolition of trademarks, I am in favour of legal genericisation being much, much easier. Velcro, frisbee, and bandaid, for example, are so obviously genericised now in practice, they should be legally. Words like parmesan and champagne are no different. Indeed, geographic indicators are always like this, because they by definition can’t be limited in the way a true trademark is.

    If the people of Parma believe their parmesan is superior, they should be able to survive by calling it “parmesan made in Parma”. And if they didn’t want their region’s name to be part of the generic name for the product…they shouldn’t have insisted on conflating their region with the type of cheese in the first place.


  • It’s like calling a Lepatata from Botswana a Didgeridoo because they are both wind instruments

    No, it’s not. It’s like calling a didgeridoo made in Botswana a didgeridoo. Which would be fair, because that’s what it would be. A didgeridoo has a different shape to a lepatata. Saying that any two woodwind instruments are the same is absurd.

    Australia already has plenty of parmesan cheese on the shelves. If parmesan from Parma is a superior product, it can succeed on its own merits. Government crony capitalism protecting it shouldn’t be forced on us to make it succeed.

    Take the chocolate example I made above. In addition to the countries I listed, you can also sell chocolate as being “made in America”. And because of the reputation, I would avoid the American chocolate and buy the Swiss or Belgian chocolate. But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to call their product what it is.

    This is just yet another shitty example of the EU forcing its protectionism onto the rest of the world while claiming to be a bastion of free markets and capitalism. The hypocrisy is laughable. And even more laughable is the amount of people who back them up on it.



  • But it’s not parmigiano reggiano

    Yes, it is. Some dumb fuck ultra conservative European laws don’t change that. Australian law doesn’t currently protect the name, and I can go out right now and buy parmesan cheese that wasn’t made in Italy.

    The law changing would make it illegal to keep doing that, but it wouldn’t change reality. Reality being that the type of cheese they sell today is the same as the type of cheese they’re selling in the future.

    edit:

    Let me put it this way: parmesan is a type of cheese. Think of it like “milk chocolate”. I could buy milk chocolate made in Switzerland, or in Belgium, or the UK, or here in Australia. Differences in ingredients and the sources of those ingredients would all affect the ultimate taste and texture of the chocolate. But they don’t change the fact that it is chocolate. There’s no good reason that cheese and wine should be any different, except for nationalism and conservatism. If you want to call it “parmesan made in northern Italy”, be my guest. And that should be protected, because “made in X” is a clear descriptor, and you shouldn’t be allowed to lie about things like that. But the name of the product itself should not allow some conservative fucks half a world away to have special privileges. And a so-called “free trade” agreement shouldn’t be honouring those strict restrictions on the act of free trade.




  • Like I said, if it was only the first one I’d have said it’s a non-issue and should just be brushed off.

    But he doubled and tripled down, taking it from a simple one-off “yo mumma” joke into some rather gratuitously explicit sexual comments. That’s not a benign yo mumma joke anymore.

    Besides that, the video does briefly suggest that according to some people, this is the latest in a line of sketchy behaviour.

    It would have been so easy for him to apologise. Once he realised his behaviour was upsetting people, it really doesn’t matter what else there is going on around it. The appropriate thing to do would be to apologise and reflect. And if he’d done that, this whole thing would probably not have gone any further. It would all have blown over in a week. His decision not to apologise is reminiscent of some centrist comedians who, when challenged about some problematic content of their work, decide to double down by swinging hard to the right. I don’t know enough about the situation or the people involved outside of what’s shown in this video to be able to say that that is what’s happened, but at least on the surface, it kinda looks frighteningly similar.