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  • It is true that land is not obtained by labor, but it is still a limited resource needed for production, so if someone owns it, that someone will most of the time only agree other people use it in exchange for part of the final product.

    in exchange for part of the final product.

    If that final product is ‘money’ then I understand your logic and also why this comic exists. At the most minimalist interpretation that inherent rentierism is an example of an unnecessary extraction of the value of labor from those who produce it.

    But again, this is about wages. You can’t slide between ‘wage earners’ and ‘owners’ any more than you can define ‘land’ and ‘landowners’ interchangeably.


  • If a farmer can’t buy the amount of grain he produces

    That’s not the premise at all. This isn’t about the ability to extract a 1-1 ratio. It’s not about extraction at all. It is posing that the wage earner is not free despite the value they produce.

    They’re producing products that increase that value. Grain into flour, flour into bread. Each phase of that labor is commodified around a wage which does not increase in value based on their produced value. Those wages earned are a portion of extracted value.

    The wage earner that produced the machinery was not paid a wage based on the value of grain produced. It’s something different. And that difference is where the wage earner is not free.

    To your credit you have posed scenarios where the farmers and laborers are also the owners of the operation, which is a big piece of this puzzle. But something of note:

    Same goes for whoever owns the land

    What is the productive labor that is ownership of land? What value has the landowner produced in the bread?



  • The point is the baker is not free when they must buy back the fruits of their labor with their wages.

    Neither is the farmer, if you’re adding it in. The farmer that harvests the fields for the money to buy a sack of grain is not free. Nor is a miller working to buy a sack of flour.

    Each produces more than they receive. The currency they recieve for their production is inadequate to enable their freedom.

    So if a farmer didn’t need to buy their grain back, or a baker their baked bread, then perhaps the fruits of their labor would be more effectively shared, instead of commodified and so attached to currency. (This is the concept known as labor owning the means of production.)

    You can argue about how currencies and commodification of labor is handled, but then we’re already on the right track, so to speak.






  • A proper septic system is carefully engineered but they can still be quite low tech. Many houses still just have gravel trenches and pits.

    My own home doesn’t have any pumps, it just pushes water out as water comes in. My tiny strip of land has deep trenches and the right native soil (deep sand).

    More modern systems just need some pressurized lines and only three feet of the right sand to achieve proper treatment of effluents.


  • A lot of people don’t realize outside sewers and cities, septic systems are a thing and all the sewage goes to a tank that drains out into a patch of soil. A hundred feet/30 meters and usually even a wellhead is considered at a safe range.

    Soils do a lot of biological treatment just as the enzymes and bacteria in septic tanks break down and dissolve solids.

    UV disinfection and other treatment of sewage on-site is only common in areas with high water tables or proximity to waterbodies under that 100ft/30 meter range.

    The majority of modern wastewater comes from other fixtures for laundry, showers, and the kitchen. Toilet sewage is relatively small volumewise.