Absolutely you can be rich and stay rich and and invest well AND do great charitable work, all very ethically.
That is not what we are talking about. Go watch some of those videos that try to explain “a billion”. It’s really hard to wrap your head around the difference- but it’s like cup of water, pool of water vs all the oceans on earth. There is a point beyond which it is unethical to keep all that money.
Finite resources. When millions of people suffer and die for lack of resources while one parson controls enough resources to support all of them = it’s just not fair. No one person is worth more than hundreds of thousands of people.
For someone lucky and successful and hardworking to be better off than others = totally cool. You can do that no problem with 100 mil.
But when you have 1000x1000 more than you will ever need and other people die for want? Not cool.
Then you are not paying attention.
I’m not denying Bill was a merciless asshole as a business man to make his money, but he got married and had kids and learned compassion. Still not a perfect human, but he has given away over 100 billion dollars- with care and thought and in ways that literally save lives. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2p4p4l78zo
Google says his foundation has saved 122 million lives. SAVED LIVES. Not propped up his own interests or gotten accolades or done PR to impress ignorant people - but literally spent years of his own life working to SAVETHE LIVES of his fellow human beings.
They are not the same.
Depends on the bus / area.
There is real time bus tracking now in most places so you can see when things will arrive = WAY better for dealing with traffic (note traffic is a thing for cars as well)
I’m in Portland OR and of course a bus going through a bad area is more likely to have people who are “not ok” (addicts) but the vast majority of our busses are clean and climate controlled and filled with perfectly lovely friendly people.
And risk assessment is based on what is likely. My aunt smoked her whole life and never got lung cancer so my “personal experience” is that smoking doesn’t cause cancer. You see what I’m saying?
Cars are more dangerous than busses. Period. You might not like them for any number of perfectly valid reasons, and a specific bus in a specific area might be more dangerous - but the point of the post is that personal preference and accurate risk assessment are not the same thing.
American, but here for the same reason.
And I would encourage avoiding collateral damage whenever possible.
Or maybe activist can focus on causing damage to directly to Musk. Like maybe we should all always try to avoid collateral damage when we can.
Not that hard to do.
Agree: Musk is the one hurting Tesla owners
Agree: US Government doesn’t care about collateral damage
I just would encourage folks who want to hurt Musk to focus on action that hurts Musk. Causing collateral damage is not fair or helpful - best to avoid it whenever possible.
At this point they’d get almost nothing for it - certainly not enough to buy a replacement car.
I’m just saying it helps to carefully target the people you actually are trying to hurt. It doesn’t help a movement if they start hurting bystanders.
What if a person bought a Tesla 10 years ago (before folks knew what an asshole Musk was) to reduce dependence on foreign oil.
Do you think that person deserves to have their car vandalized?
I am 100% in support of boycotting Tesla.
Just if someone bought a Tesla as their personal vehicle 10 years ago because they wanted an environmentally friendly car - before we knew what an asshole Musk was - I don’t think they deserve to have their personal property damaged/destroyed.
Valid.
Most people I know keep a car for 10+ years. The Thai thing was like six years ago and he wasn’t on my radar before then.
Lots of people aren’t online as much as you and I are. They might have bought an EV for environmental reasons 10 years ago without even noticing who owned the company.
Not everyone is online as much as we are. Lots of people are utterly unaware that ever happened.
Agree. Plus they are utterly ridiculous.
Counter point = some folks bought Tesla (the normal ones not the weird “truck” things) because they wanted a more environmentally friendly option for a car. Back before awareness that Musk is an asshole was common.
Like some of the owners might be regretful but not in a position to sell at a huge loss and buy a different EV.
Looking for an answer to this as well. I’m non violent 100% - but open to civil disobedience. If bad people are putting good people in jail I’m ok going to jail. Not to be a martyr, but if it has a chance of making a difference. Just not sure what to do.
It is the weak who are cruel, gentleness can be expected only from the strong. -Leo Rosen
Also “Hurt people hurt people.”
Note I am not in any way meaning to imply that one should accept or excuse cruel behavior.
But I do not want to respond to hateful people by being hateful myself. Responding from strength means taking action and responding clearly and forcefully. It is really hard to see fellow humans be so blind and so cruel and cause such unimaginable harm. Agree - they need to be stopped. I don’t know how to help this stop.
But they are still fellow humans - with their own stories and struggles. The response to someone dehumanizing others isn’t to dehumanize them back.
So the question is what actions can we take? I am not a target (born in the US, white) outside of my political beliefs - so how can I take a stand in a way that might help / have an effect?
I don’t know. I share your despair at seeing what is happening - and I encourage you to keep hold of your compassion and strength and act from there. Act boldly, forcefully, and with love.