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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • There’s no winning and losing in discussion. It’s not a contest. The point of sharing ideas is to learn and have better ideas.

    But like I said, you and I differ at a fundamental level. I say no religion in the classroom, unless it’s taught like a cultural class and includes many religions. You want religion in the classroom, but only if it’s your religion. We will never see eye to eye.

    And I’m not trying to shame you. I’m telling you you’re being a dick for no reason, and that’s a personal problem you should work on. I don’t care if work on it or not, I don’t know you. But I bet you’re surrounded by people who would appreciate if you worked on yourself a bit.

    But hey, don’t take advice from a heathen. You might end up in hell and burn for all eternity.




  • Welcome! You’re possibly a self medicating ADHD person.

    Otter common signs you should get checked out

    • do you sit there paralyzed and unable to do a task, even when you want to do it and know it needs to get done?

    • are you weirdly calm and effective in stressful and panicked situations?

    • do you get really into a hobby for a while, then drop it forever because you lose all interest?

    If so, a diagnosis could be life altering.




  • I think you’re not reading my words. SEL was an example, and clearly not a good one so I should not have brought it up. It’s irrelevant to ten commandments in the classroom except as an example. So it’s not relevant here. Happy to have a different thread about that later. But this thread is about ten commandments.

    People should not be pushing a religious agenda. That’s it. Full stop. If you can’t agree on that, then we cannot find any place to agree.


  • No, I admit that people have unfounded concerns about SEL, and that I’m not going to be able to change the mind of someone so entrenched in fear of those topics. It also isn’t relevant to the point.

    And I can’t tell if you’re being snarky in that last comment, or if you’re saying that it’s clearly the GOP trying to push a religious agenda? I mean, you may think that’s justified. But that is what they’re doing?


  • Scary buzzwords, to be sure. The second two topics are about accepting people for who they are. The first is about recognizing that our current laws are unfair to some people.

    These are not unreasonable things. But I will not be able to convince you of that. I imagine nothing would.

    So regardless. If they wanted to teach ethics, they can do so by posting a short list of things everyone should do. They aren’t doing that. They’re pushing one religion’s agenda, and we don’t do that in America.




  • Republicans want to legislate putting them into the classroom, how exactly does that prove that they are against this sort of thing?

    Well that’s a great question. Let’s brainstorm.

    Republicans have pushed against SEL, which is all about being empathetic and kind to your neighbors, and being aware of your own emotions and how to handle them. These are all things Jesus would love. These are things that the portions of the ten commandment I highlighted support.

    At the same time, Republicans are pushing for the ten commandments to be included in the classroom.

    These are both objectively fact, right? We can see this happening, there are news stories, there are people talking about it. So how would you explain this dissonance?



  • Those are worded in an inaccessable way. “You shall not…”. How about “don’t lie”? It’s the same message without the clear religious overtones that are obviously steeped in the Christian translation from Latin and Greek.

    I also disagree with #5. Not everyone’s parents deserve honor. Some are horrible and we shouldn’t make children feel bad for not loving shit parents.

    But even if I agreed to the rest, it wouldn’t work. Those things are the basis of social emotional learning. The GOP is explicitly legislating against teaching that.


  • So the pride flag is necessary because, historically and very recently, non-straight people have been oppressed. Oppressed so badly that many kill themselves because of how they’re treated. It is a travesty that we treat other Americans this way just because they’re different.

    Christians do not suffer like that. It’s literally impossible for Christians to suffer like that, as they make up the vast majority of the country. No one can possibly oppress a majority. Hurt their feelings, maybe, but not oppress.

    I think if we are putting up religious tenets as a way of showing respect, we should put up the tenets of a religion that is actually oppressed in this country. One that is treated with hostility, and whose members are hated for no reason other than their beliefs. That would show them that we’re an accepting country, who actually follow Jesus’ values of loving our neighbors.



  • I’m assuming that you are actually asking this sincerely.

    A pride flag is a symbol of acceptance. It’s saying that it’s okay to be gay. It’s not saying you have to be gay, it’s not saying you have to like that people are gay, just that it’s okay to be gay.

    The ten commandments are rules. It’s not a message saying that it’s okay to be Christian, it’s saying that everyone must follow these rules.

    The second one is authoritarian. It is restricting everybody, even those outside the group who created it. The first one is not authoritarian. Not giving orders to anybody, and not restricting people outside the group that created it.

    I hope that actually answers the question.