The point is that you haven’t given any examples of what you mean at all, you’re just pointing at some vague nebulous ‘problems’ and ‘nuance’ without clarifying what these positions or minor disagreements could be.
Also, it’s very telling you’re doing ad hominem (especially ableist ones) attacks against at least some people who haven’t done the same to you.
Edit: The instance I’m on doesn’t have downvotes and either way I’m far more interested in debating/discussing points than attacking another’s character.
You’re right, I don’t have to think for myself to feel that murdering innocent people is wrong. Maybe if I thought about it a bit harder I’d find a way to justify it, like you have.
Oh, sorry but someone else has already called me a bitch. I can’t believe you’re not open to using your brain instead of subscribing to someone else’s view. I prefer people who think for themselves.
Ironically enough, even the “think for themselves, it’s all nuanced” option often gets picked up from subscribing to someone else’s views, mostly because staying in the middle and considering all options sounds like the ‘smart thing to do’ even if there’s some deliberate ignorance of the facts to retain this position (like with the current Israel Palestine war).
It’s a very similar thing to those kids in school who’d hear the quote “I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing”, then go around and immediately start telling everyone how they know nothing to try and appear very deep and smart.
Besides, there’s way less original thought in the world than you think - in order to actually properly research a subject and MAYBE come to a nuanced, informed, open-minded view, you’d have to do a ton of research, know all the history and little quirks, things that most people don’t have time or education to do especially for multiple important events going on at the same time.
Yeah… pretty sure genocide is bad everywhere. You’re not going to spin this one, and walk away thinking iM sO SmArT. You’re like a fucking pigeon who knocks over all the pieces on a chess board, takes a shit, and then declares victory over your opponent.
p.s. My wife is a professor, pretty sure the Israel-Hamas war hasn’t come up once while she’s teaching.
This isn’t about Hamas anymore. They are genociding an entire group of people (which is ironic considering the Jewish peoples history). The IDF routinely murders children, bombs hospital buildings, and parks for no reason, and then counts the dead as terrorists regardless of who they hit.
Stop reading propaganda pieces. Hamas is bad, nobody is saying that’s not true. But it’s fairly obvious that the Israeli leader doesn’t see Palestinians as people. He wants to anex the entire Gaza strip, always has.
What’s the first thing Israel did when Assad fell in Syria? Congratulate the Syrian people? Push for a democratic regime? Try to provide aid and build relationships with the people and new leaders?
No, they invaded the country and stole more territory for themselves.
Makes sense, doesn’t it? Who knows who will get to power next? And what they do with all the weapons? Better destroy them. That is essential best for everyone, including syrians that will not be killed with them in a potential civil war.
It only "makes sense if you are an israeli. And only makes sense to allow your land to be taken over if you are a jewish person. Israelis coud use the same justification to steal any land anywhere. It doesnt nake sense because Israel treats nonjews as subhuman and explicitely denies them full rights and self determination. Have you heard of Israels basic laws?
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Damn, you sure showed me the light… Do you not realise how self-righteous this sounds?
I guess being against genocide is just being one of the sheeple.
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The point is that you haven’t given any examples of what you mean at all, you’re just pointing at some vague nebulous ‘problems’ and ‘nuance’ without clarifying what these positions or minor disagreements could be.
Also, it’s very telling you’re doing ad hominem (especially ableist ones) attacks against at least some people who haven’t done the same to you.
Edit: The instance I’m on doesn’t have downvotes and either way I’m far more interested in debating/discussing points than attacking another’s character.
Based on their responses they don’t seem to actually want to discuss anything, just attack others
Yeah, sadly it seems that was the case.
It’s always sad when folks are like instead of having interesting discussions, but oh well.
You’re right, I don’t have to think for myself to feel that murdering innocent people is wrong. Maybe if I thought about it a bit harder I’d find a way to justify it, like you have.
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Oh, sorry but someone else has already called me a bitch. I can’t believe you’re not open to using your brain instead of subscribing to someone else’s view. I prefer people who think for themselves.
So believing israel shouldn’t be bombing the shit out of palestine and trying to cause their genocide isn’t thinking for myself?
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I’m not sure what possibly reasonable ‘nuance’ there could be when one side is clearly the agressor and has all the power.
I absolutely believe this.
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Ironically enough, even the “think for themselves, it’s all nuanced” option often gets picked up from subscribing to someone else’s views, mostly because staying in the middle and considering all options sounds like the ‘smart thing to do’ even if there’s some deliberate ignorance of the facts to retain this position (like with the current Israel Palestine war).
It’s a very similar thing to those kids in school who’d hear the quote “I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing”, then go around and immediately start telling everyone how they know nothing to try and appear very deep and smart.
Besides, there’s way less original thought in the world than you think - in order to actually properly research a subject and MAYBE come to a nuanced, informed, open-minded view, you’d have to do a ton of research, know all the history and little quirks, things that most people don’t have time or education to do especially for multiple important events going on at the same time.
Anyway sorry, I write too much
Yeah… pretty sure genocide is bad everywhere. You’re not going to spin this one, and walk away thinking iM sO SmArT. You’re like a fucking pigeon who knocks over all the pieces on a chess board, takes a shit, and then declares victory over your opponent.
p.s. My wife is a professor, pretty sure the Israel-Hamas war hasn’t come up once while she’s teaching.
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This isn’t about Hamas anymore. They are genociding an entire group of people (which is ironic considering the Jewish peoples history). The IDF routinely murders children, bombs hospital buildings, and parks for no reason, and then counts the dead as terrorists regardless of who they hit.
Stop reading propaganda pieces. Hamas is bad, nobody is saying that’s not true. But it’s fairly obvious that the Israeli leader doesn’t see Palestinians as people. He wants to anex the entire Gaza strip, always has.
What’s the first thing Israel did when Assad fell in Syria? Congratulate the Syrian people? Push for a democratic regime? Try to provide aid and build relationships with the people and new leaders?
No, they invaded the country and stole more territory for themselves.
Makes sense, doesn’t it? Who knows who will get to power next? And what they do with all the weapons? Better destroy them. That is essential best for everyone, including syrians that will not be killed with them in a potential civil war.
It only "makes sense if you are an israeli. And only makes sense to allow your land to be taken over if you are a jewish person. Israelis coud use the same justification to steal any land anywhere. It doesnt nake sense because Israel treats nonjews as subhuman and explicitely denies them full rights and self determination. Have you heard of Israels basic laws?