A Poor Introduction

If you’re into anime culture and online communities, and haven’t seen Mushoku Tensei directly, you probably don’t have a good impression of it. This is for good reason.

Scenes from the show, poorly-disguised hentai are posted as “memes” or “jokes”, with people trying to give worldbuilding reasons for the author’s attempt at a clumsy, bawdy recurring joke.

If you break past the cringe barrier of online humor and give the show a chance, it still doesn’t distinguish itself well at the start. Our protagonist Rudy Greyrat is introduced as a wretched waste of space from the beginning- someone we are meant to sympathize with, someone who hasn’t left the house since high school, or as the title suggests, ever gotten a job. He is pitiable certainly, but the kind of hapless, aimless man who’s hard to sympathize with. He is clearly a disgusting slob, someone who was a weight on the family, someone who only does good in his dying moment, when he shoves an ignorant couple out of the way of the incoming isekai delivery truck.

His beginnings in his new isekai fantasy life aren’t any better. He grows more dislikeable as the first and second episode unfolds. He has unearned potential in magic, pulling himself up from his bootstraps when it was a miracle he could pull himself to his feet in his old life. He perves on his poor, unsuspecting mother. He disquiets and discomforts their eternally-loyal, blank-faced maid Lilian with his lecherous behavior, leaving her to reconcile his adult actions with his newborn body.

And yet, the humanity begins to unfold. It climbs slowly amidst the isekai schlock, before rocketing downward in a roller coaster of drama, over and over again. Suddenly, you’re in deep. Mushoku Tensei is not an undermining, or as I would argue, even a direct subversion of typical isekai and perverted tropes. Instead, it wears them on its sleeves. It revels in the wretched nature of these walking anime cliches, and then shows the very human development that they go through and experience when interacting with other, real-feeling people.

The Unfolding

Zenith was afraid she couldn’t have a second child.

Rudy recounts the fears his mother was having for future children. For the younger people reading this, it means little. For those who are older, especially those who have experienced such problems, it sticks deeply. You begin to have the inkling that there may be something deeper here, all while joyful music plays and the sun is shown shining warmly into the house. The parents celebrate with one another. All is well.

And then the cut to black, just a second longer than it would normally be. You receive the unconscious hint that there is going to be some kind of transition here. And then the show hits you with it.

The maid reveals that she is pregnant. There is little doubt as to who the father could be. Three out of the four people at the table turn, each with their own shot, toward the guilty culprit. The father immediately ducks in apology to Zenith.

It is no longer joyful and sunny. Warmth has turned to winter. The maid’s breath frosts up as she exhales her admission. Scenes of a blizzard are interspersed with the graceful, dreamlike intro music of the series following the admission. Everyone is trapped inside with the colder turn in weather. There is nowhere to run. They must confront their emotions with one another.

The maid and the mother are faced toward each other, sitting down at a table on opposing sides. The room around them is dimly lit, a candle lighting and emphasizing the only people that matter in the scene. Clearly, neither are happy. The maid’s head is bowed in uneasy guilt. The mother’s hands are in her face, left to contemplate the actions that have torn her family apart, and shattered a friendship she shared with the maid Lilian.

Zenith, the mother quietly asks Lilian what she will do. The maid shows her loyalty- she will help Zenith with her childbirth, and then take her leave of them. It is a month’s ride, and it will be late into Lilian’s own pregnancy. Everyone knows this will be a harsh journey for anyone during the winter, but especially for a late-pregnancy mother. The protagonist narrates how his beloved maid is likely to die doing so. He worries for her. And he owes her.

And then he admits that he owes Lilian for not disclosing his “holy relic”, the panties he had kept from his childhood mentor.

It cannot be understated what a wild whiplash this is within a scene, such a real acknowledgement of a comical, perverted trope within anime. And yet, somehow it fits. Of course his perversions would not go unnoticed. Of course he would realize that other people realize his own wretched nature. For some, I would imagine, this would also be a moment of humor, a breath of fresh air from the tense, ongoing scenes.

And so Rudy idly reaches out to his mother. He leads her into appropriate conversation about how she had been betrayed by his father, and by Lilian. And then Rudy, the protagonist lies and tells his mother that he overheard Lilian being coerced, that she “had not been allowed to say no to him”. Rudy creates a convenient fiction that allows the mother to place the blame on the father. It allows the mother to have Lilian stay, as family now. Lilian and her child are no longer in danger. The mother, Zenith walks away, satisfied. Only then does the maid allow herself to cry, once Zenith has left. Loyal service to the end.

It is daylight again. It is still winter and cold, the family having to deal with this betrayal, but the light portends that there is hope now. The maid knows that she should have been punished. She knows that it was as much her fault as the fathers. She had indeed laid the foundation to help seduce Paul, the father.

She knows that Rudy lied now. And that he knew what awaited her in her situation. He had lied to help her, when she knows that she should have been punished. It contrasts with her rightful view of him. Lilian knows that Rudy is a perverted wretch, and reveals in this moment she had even suspected him of being possessed, with how mature and disgusting he was towards the women around him, despite being a child.

Rudy’s behavior hasn’t been passed over. As much as it’s clearly meant for bawdy humor, the people in this world realistically react to Rudy’s behavior- to all of his lechery, and all of his good deeds. The maid knows that for all of his lechery, he has saved her, and her child.

It sets a tone

This is the entire series in a nutshell. Rudy is a lecher in the worst sense trying to do good, however imperfectly. He’s overconfident many times over, with this overconfidence often coming back to bite him- only for him to turn things around due to his attempts at good deeds, and his allies pluck.

Family and friends fight with him, and between each other. Their lives do not revolve entirely around him, yet they are touched meaningfully and often in positive ways, because he is trying to do good. And they recognize his terrible behavior, yet forgive it because they know he is trying to do good.

It’s an anime I didn’t go into expecting much, and I doubt anyone has if they’ve only heard some of the more outrageous stories I have. It’s still not an anime I would recommend without reservation to someone, but if you’ve slow-boiled yourself on the garbage morality displayed by modern anime, it is something I would absolutely recommend. It’s a very good story built out of garbage.

  • FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org
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    1 year ago

    Ugh this show man…if they simply got rid of all the creepy fan service bullshit, this show would be like a solid 9/10. The overall storyline is really cool.

    • DestinyGrey@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      Yeah enjoying the show really does require being slow boiled on garbage anime, like the old tale about the frog and a boiling pot that isn’t true.

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    What I don’t get, and what is so unfair to this particular anime; and I guess the whole reincarnation thing in general – is the hoards of mouth-breathers who basically expect this guy to never, ever have sex again unless he’s in his 16 year old body, with a 46+ year old woman or something.

    He was reincarnated – His body is 16ish? He likes girls his age. But everyone latches onto “but he was over 30 in his other life!”. Like – what the fuck. Seriously? How in fuckall do you propose a solution to this then? He just, as a man, never has sex again because he’s gotta add his old life to his new one? He gets with someone his “mental” age, and THEY are a pedo. He gets with someone his “physical” age, and HE’S a pedo…you can’t fucking win with these idiots.

    It’s a story about redemption. He was a shitbag. He’s slowly learning his way out of his old shitbag habits, dealing with traumas of a past life as well. Over the seasons he becomes more of an honorable person, being something he doesn’t choose to do half of the time, but in a way he’s being forced to. During this entire last season he’s essentially castrated mentally because of the trauma of losing the first love of his life. He eventually learns to trust and form those connections again.

    Obviously in some part, they’ve gotta keep some crudeness as that’s the entire point - people didn’t watch Game of Thrones because it was super deep or intellectually stimulating or anything. They watched it for tits and dragons. Sometimes that’s enough.

    • DestinyGrey@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      1 year ago

      The thing that makes pedophilia wrong isn’t the body types- its the inherent mental advantage and power you have over others with it, alongside the potential harm it can do to a person’s growth. I will admit that it’s diminished by him being in a child’s body that has no authority over her. But it’s still not right. I posit that yes, he shouldn’t have sex with someone until he’s an adult, and that Roxy is a far better match for his true age than the children he would perv on.

      You don’t have to fuck. It’s great and good for your mental, but it’s not more valuable than not being a pedophile.

      I acknowledge the crudeness helps attract attention to the series, but it still does not make it right.

      I will be a “mouth breather”, as you say, and posit that the problem isn’t his perversion, but the series inability to fully grasp the wrongness of it, and acknowledge that. You don’t need some fairy tale with a moral, but it is troubling when it doesn’t seem like the creators would have a problem with an adult passing as a kid having sex with kids.

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        1 year ago

        He’s not an adult passing as a kid, he IS a what…16 year old? Just because he has the memories of his old life doesn’t make him that age. Your argument is the same as saying that someone smart, is morally obligated not to fornicate with someone who is dumb because they have ‘advantage’ over them. There is no way in which you can write an isekai with your thought process, that doesn’t result in someone being considered a pedophile, it’s a lose/lose situation. Tell me how to fix that…

        In what way, when writing an isekai, can you solve the problem that you’ve invented where the primary character can have sex, and it isn’t considered an injustice in your world? Because by your logic, ALL reborn isekai are by defacto, pedo stories.

        Is someone a pedo because they’re 50 and they have sex with a 20 year old? Obviously not. So it has nothing to do with age, or mental advantage. It has to do with the inability of the underage to give consent. And nothing in this show has given that indication. Rudeus hasn’t used his age or knowledge to coerce the women he’s had relationships with into something they themselves didn’t initiate. He’s a perv, yes - but there’s no indication of what you are wanting to see. You’ve misjudged this entire series because you can’t look past your own nose with the righteous indignation and pre-judgement. You came to the conclusion about this show first, and then you worked backwards from there to justify your own conclusion instead of rightfully thinking it through.

        • ReluctantZen@feddit.nl
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          Just because he has the memories of his old life

          Rudeus isn’t a kid who happens to have memories of his previous life. He’s a 34 year old with the body of a kid (in the 1st season, way younger than 16 too), so him perving on Eris, who is physically and mentally about 10-12 years old when he meets her, is really fucking creepy. Just because he’s physically younger, doesn’t make it better

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          You say the first paragraph is if I don’t agree with the idea that you shouldn’t have sex with people who are considerably dumber than you. It’s generally a little icky if you have sex with someone who is mentally deficient.

          You can’t really solve the problem of isekai protagonist not being able to have sex. But when you can’t have sex, it doesn’t give free license to have sex with children.

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    1 year ago

    I agree. It’s definitely not a show I could comfortably recommend to most people, like you say, but there is some genuine quality in it

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    I love this show, but I wouldn’t have watched it if I knew anything about it beforehand. The main character and his actions are just so disgusting. However, I was sick in bed with Covid and looking for something new to watch while I couldn’t leave the house. I remembered a friend had told me about an anime that’s supposedly so good they had to make a whole production studio just for it. Season 1 had finished airing months earlier too, which was perfect because I knew I wouldn’t run out of episodes anytime soon… I ended up watching the whole season that day.

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    1 year ago

    One can like Mushoku Tensei without saying “Rudeus is an outstanding guy and a role model”

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    I felt very similarly for the entirety of the first season, right up until the last episode. That was a bridge I could not cross and quit the series right there and then. It was fucked up for multiple different reasons and I simply couldn’t get past it.

    • DestinyGrey@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      I’m curious why you feel that way. I absolutely adored the ending of the first season- felt like a perfectly human misunderstanding between Rudy and the princess.

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        Maybe I’m misremembering the timing but seeing a grown man who is an admitted lolicon have sex with a child was disgusting to me. I don’t care what body they inhabit. It’s just gross

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          It’s very gross! It also felt like a perfect summation of who he was as a person, though I’m sure that wasn’t the intended message that’s a creators sought to portray. He nearly held back like he should have and wanted to avoid doing so because he feared she was making a mistake, which she was!

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      I feel most stopped there. It does pave the way for future character growth and I like of forget the guy was reincarnated at times. From the outside his behavior is natural to everyone only we know what’s going through his head. And he legitimately suffers for a while afterwards. The scene is important to the plot.

      • neatchee@lemmy.world
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        Yeah, I don’t particularly care if an adult having sex with a child is important to the plot. It is no different than the “she’s actually a 2000 year old kami” trope. Adults of any kind having sex with children of any kind = instant bail from me. I’m sure there’s interesting plot to be had, and character growth. Which makes it a shame that “giving the lolicon a chance to fuck a child” was part of it.

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          I see your point and totally understand. I think at least from the authors’ perspective it was the girl’s decision and he got swept up into it. Honestly I think the author did it to generate buzz/controversy/get people talking. At least in the anime they kept it to the main character’s thoughts rather than in front of the camera. Maybe the author is just a creep though. They need to make good fantasy anime.

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            There is only one thing for an adult to say when children try to have sex with them: “stop, right now, we’re taking you to therapy” 😐

            I was honestly prepared to start reading the books despite the lechery, and I was worried it would be worse in the books than the anime. I can only imagine what’s in there at this point

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              1 year ago

              So there is a time skip of a few years and he and his people of interest are consenting adults.

    • DestinyGrey@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      The cringe barrier is definitely hard for me to get through. There’s a lot of good anime with very dumb moments that I struggle to move forward in.

  • VelvetStorm@lemmy.world
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    Ya, the show really could have been good if they didn’t make the protag a creep and a pedophile who tried to fingerbang a 12 year old girl.