Rights advocates in the United States are urging President Joe Biden to end his administration’s “complicity” in Israeli rights abuses after key members of Israel’s government backed the idea of pushing Palestinians out of Gaza.

Far-right Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich said this week that Israel should “encourage emigration” from the coastal enclave, home to an estimated 2.3 million Palestinians.

“If there are 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs in Gaza and not two million Arabs, the entire discussion on the day after [the war ends] will be totally different,” Smotrich said on Sunday, calling for the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians.

A day later, Ben-Gvir, who oversees national security, made a similar appeal, saying it was “a correct, just, moral and humane solution”, Israeli media outlets reported.

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    Yes, it is indeed an opinion that committing atrocities is a bad thing to do. Well done on finally getting something right.

    It’s a VERY popular opinion though, one shared by so many people that the world has decided that people are not allowed to do that bad thing.

    That the Israeli Apartheid regime is committing genocide, ethnic cleansing and domicide isn’t an opinion, though. It’s an objective fact by all definitions of all the words.

    A fact not changed by whether or not some misguided Americans think or pretend to think that the atrocities of Hamas are justified or that the holocaust didn’t happen.

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      Yes, it is indeed an opinion that committing atrocities is a bad thing to do. Well done on finally getting something right.

      You’re not dumb. You know that people disagree with you on the atrocities you claim.

      For instance, it’s impossible to have an apartheid system against another country. Israel is, by definition, not an apartheid state.

      It’s hilarious to me that you’ll try to bring up the definitions of words after that - perhaps this is why your opinion is so extreme.

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        You’re not dumb.

        Wow, you’ve already doubled the number of things you’ve been right about! At this rate we’ll only have to keep arguing a couple months more until you stop being an insincere moron!

        You know that people disagree with you on the atrocities you claim.

        I know that some people deny objective reality, yes, but that doesn’t make objective reality any less real or any more subjective.

        it’s impossible to have an apartheid system against another country.

        Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs living in Israel and Israel-occupied and/or -controlled Palestine are treated as, at best, second class citizens. Desmond Tutu agreed that Israel is an Apartheid state and he of all people should know.

        It’s hilarious to me that you’ll try to bring up the definitions of words after that

        I guess the truth sometimes looks like hilarious comedy to those who believe in ridiculous gaslighting such as that coming from Times of Israel, AIPAC and Faux News 🤷

        your opinion is so extreme.

        Yeah, it’s SO extreme to think that the lives of Palestinians matter! Such an audacious notion! 🙄

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          Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs living in Israel and Israel-occupied and/or -controlled Palestine are treated as, at best, second class citizens

          You went to all the effort to cite Tutu and yet provide no evidence for this, because they’re not, and they literally have representation in Israel’s government.

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            they literally have representation in Israel’s government.

            Yeah, because everyone knows that having 1/12 of the knesset be Arabs means that there’s not systemic inequality and oppression of Arabs and other minority groups! 🤦

            provide no evidence

            here’s some evidence you’re gonna ignore or pretend to refute.

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              Yeah, because everyone knows that having 1/12 of the knesset be Arabs means that there’s not systemic inequality and oppression of Arabs and other minority groups

              It’s proportionate to their population.

              About 6.8 million Jewish Israelis and 6.8 million Palestinians live today between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory

              This article is about the Palestinian territory, a different country than Israel.

              Lol they literally acknowledge it.

              The intensity of that discrimination varies according to different rules established by the Israeli government in Israel, on the one hand, and different parts of the OPT,

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                It’s proportionate to their population.

                No. As pointed out in the article you just pretended to have read, the Jewish and Palestine populations of the territories controlled by Israel are roughly equal.

                This article is about the Palestinian territory, a different country than Israel.

                “between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT)”.

                It’s right in the opening sentence of the fucking summary the report starts with ffs! 🤦

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                  Gaza is not in Israel lol. It’s an occupied territory, not part of their country. Hamas runs Gaza as the official government.

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                    Gaza is de facto controlled by Israel and as such is their responsibility.

                    Even if Hamas wasn’t a terrorist organization first, a political advocacy group second and a government as a WAY distant third, they still wouldn’t be able to properly take care of the people of Gaza, given the inhumane conditions created and enforced by Israel.

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        For instance, it’s impossible to have an apartheid system against another country. Israel is, by definition, not an apartheid state.

        What other country has their roads, electricity, water, trade, and police controlled by another?

        Like there are words, and then there are facts on the ground. It walks and quacks like an apartheid.

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          What other country has their roads, electricity, water, trade, and police controlled by another?

          What other country is blockaded by all of their neighbors (including Egypt and Lebanon, and even Jordan which is just nearby) for 30-60 years of terrorism?

          Like there are words, and then there are facts on the ground. It walks and quacks like an apartheid.

          If words don’t have any meaning to you, then your argument admittedly makes more sense. When you say “apartheid” you just mean “shit I don’t like.” It’s basically the “neoliberal” of Israel lol