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Millions of soviets died fighting nazis.
Not in 1939
TBF neither did the Americans.
The real issue is that, unlike Chamberlain (who was widely reviled for appeasement, but we now know was arguably acting on advice from generals who asked him to delay war so they had more time to prepare) and the US, Stalin was an idiot who actively helped Hitler prepare the invasion of his own country:
You’re absolutely right about US, though can at least say that FDR wanted more US involvement and started Lend Lease years before US entered the war proper and used foreign policy and economic measures to help the Allies undermine German attempts to gain more resources.
Where as you point out, the USSR became economic allies with Germany and sold them resources that would be used against them in 41
Ok
Yep, and millions of Poles were killed because the USSR decided that helping the Nazis destroy a sovereign country was better than letting those Polish untermenschen run free.
I mean this is a little inaccurate since the attempts for an alliance fell apart between the USSR and Western Europe against Nazi Germany in 1939.
https://nottingham-repository.worktribe.com/index.php/OutputFile/854368
That paper just goes over how public opinion shaped negotiations between the USSR and the Western Powers. Even then the USSR was attempting to effectively annex the Baltic states as a condition for an alliance against Nazi Germany, so take your totalitarian apologia elsewhere.
It… demonstrates the efforts in 1939 to oppose Nazi Germany. Those failed efforts are kind of what led to the in/famous Molotov Ribbentrop Pact. It is like… basic context for studying the time period.
“The efforts to oppose Nazi Germany” is a funny way of saying “The Soviets checking which side would offer them more land to ethnically cleanse”. But hey, I guess inhabitants of the Baltics aren’t real people.
As a part of what now? Attempts by the Soviet Union to form an alliance with Britain and France in 1939? Correct, thank you for the confirmation.
So, shopping around for who will offer you the better genocide deal is “opposing” the one you approach second?
Yeah. Least ridiculous red fascist apologist.
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I don’t think I so much advocated any approach other than the one that recognizes a historical event happened.
I think at the very least anyone reading this should be capable of looking it up and learning about it. Shouldn’t be anything to fear from that now, eh?
I don’t think I so much advocated any approach other than the one that recognizes a historical event happened.
Meme: “The SovUnion’s opposition to the Nazis in 1939 was paltry.”
You: “Well, that’s a little inaccurate. They asked the West for an alliance.”
Me: “The conditions for that alliance was the effective annexation of the Baltic states, which they would later perform ethnic cleansing on, and in the end, they sided with Nazi Germany because the West was willing to give them an alliance, but not at the cost of the Baltic States.”
You: “Well, I was just pointing out the alliance offer happened.”
Uh-huh.
I think at the very least anyone reading this should be capable of looking it up and learning about it. Shouldn’t be anything to fear from that now, eh?
Certainly not. Happily, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is well-known in the modern day.
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