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- world@lemmy.world
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- world@lemmy.world
Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip and an agreement would be reached on an end to the war.
There was no immediate public response from Israel, which has said it will not pull its troops out of Gaza until Hamas is wiped out.
The Hamas counterproposal envisages three phases of a truce, lasting 45 days each. Militants would exchange remaining Israeli hostages captured on Oct. 7 for Palestinian prisoners. The reconstruction of Gaza would begin, Israeli forces would withdraw completely, and bodies and remains would be exchanged.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived overnight in Israel after meeting the leaders of mediators Qatar and Egypt.
A source close to the negotiations said the Hamas counterproposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire at the outset, but an end to the war would have to be agreed during the truce before the final hostages were freed.
That’s hilariously quaint next to life as a Palestinian. Hell, a stabbing? That’s quaint next to life in the hood of the USA. Maybe ask her to consider the Palestinian perspective next. They lost their land and haven’t been able to return. 78% of their water is bad. They can’t control their borders, imports, or exports. They can be held for months without trial or charge. The noise is so bad from the buzz of drones they can’t sleep. Israel restricts their calories to the bare minimum (calls it “putting them on a diet”). They raid their areas occasionally to kill some people and take more prisoners (call it “mowing the grass”). They bomb their hospitals, apartment buildings, refugee camps, and other civilian infrastructure. They get their trees and agriculture pulled by Israeli settlers who get defended by troops. Unemployment is rampant. Israel controls their electricity, which doesn’t work multiple times a day, their trash, and all other parts of their infrastructure. All they have is unguided rockets that occasionally kill their own, while Israel has a state of the art rocket defense system that prevents almost all of their deaths, jets, bombs, helicopters, and always the latest in military gear and tech. The Palestinians are maimed en masse during peaceful protests like the Great March of Return. The list goes on and on.
The Nazi comparison is right. Imagine some Nazi saying they’re thankful the government is moving the Jews away from them by putting them on these trains. It’s more of a buffer zone from the scary Jewish ghettos. They bring up the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and how they saw people die from the scary Jews.
That’s basically what she was saying. There’s no concern for the citizens at all, and no realization that the “scary” situation is completely of their own making due to their own occupation and blockade of civilians, who will then rightly get angrier and angrier as time passes without a solution allowing their own sovereignty.
M8, you’re saying these things as if I’m not aware of the hypocrisy. Asking her why she disliked Netanyahu, and then her telling me he isn’t extreme ENOUGH because he failed to protect them, yeahhhh. Then on being pressed for examples of historical leaders she thinks the leaders of Israel should emulate today, she sent me a link to one of the leaders of the Zionist movement before Israels founding who was… You guessed it… pretty terrorist-y in their behavior. The irony was not apparent to her, and the cognitive dissonance was palpable.
Asking her why I as a foreign national should give a flying fuck about Israeli hostages (she mentions them so much) compared to say Ukraine, she said I wouldn’t get it as I’m not Israeli (tribalism much?), and that the hostages are going through so much suffering. I sent her a before and after of a Ukrainian pow from Mauripol… Still didn’t care. Initially, I thought she was working for the IDF doing psyops, noooooope. She genuinely believes her governments propaganda and thinks the worlds media apparatus is just, lying all the time about what’s happening.
Haha sorry, hope I didn’t come off as angry at you. It’s just people like that make me angry and then I spout off. That was more to vent and I guess for other people who may agree with her.
There is a lot to be angry over. A lot of her logic reminds me of a friend of mine who id known for 7 years who joined the navy recently. We had a falling out for a year, and when I started talking to him again, he had become pro life and “the civil war wasn’t about slavery” sort of shit. THOSE “debates” kept me up at night for months thinking about them afterwards @_@ though, he shut the fuck up real quick about the civil war when I started linking Smithsonian articles about the Confederate declarations of Independence or w/e…
Specifically, WHY they were seceding. Then he just pivoted to abortion… Id murder a trillion clumps of cells in the womb to save or make better the life of one actual god damn human being :/