Anyone who thinks Mark and Martin deserve any credit for Tesla needs their head examined. They were nothing more than yes-men for Elon’s brilliant ideas. True innovators like Elon don’t need anybody else to help them succeed
I’m trying to be unbiased here, Mark and Martin from my reading deserve some credit for the initial creation of the company and vision but I’d agree that they have very little to do with where the company is now.
Elon does play a big role, I don’t like his grandstanding and arrogant behaviour as much as the next person but to suggest otherwise would be foolish, I’m not sure how far beyond just his money and determination that contribution goes but it’s there.
It is however also foolish to not mention people like Jb Straubel, Franz von Holzhausen and many others when talking about Teslas success, if there’s one thing Elon is good at it’s getting talented people excited about hard problems.
One of the many problems with Elon is that he actively supports his portrayal as the lone technical genius who does most of the work instead of a guy who is very good at motivating (or sometimes threatening) talented people into working 80 hour weeks and also has a bit more technical understanding than the average CEO
One of the many problems with Elon is that he actively supports his portrayal as the lone technical genius who does most of the work instead of a guy who is very good at motivating (or sometimes threatening) talented people into working 80 hour weeks and also has a bit more technical understanding than the average CEO
This is the crux of it. Fanboys treat him like he does it all. Is he an educated person who has a far deeper knowledge of his company’s works than most CEOs? Unarguably, yes. He’s good at getting investors and he’s good at extracting work from employees. That’s what he does. He’s not here to save the world, he doesn’t build cars or spacecraft. He’s plainly here to be successful and make money, and if he could do it making something like an iPhone competitor or whatever it would be no different to him.
Thank you for posting a nuanced comment on this topic.
Elon Musk strikes me a lot like Steve Jobs, a micromanager that is terrible to work for but gets shit done. Seeing him flail around with twitter definitely makes me question how he was successful with Tesla. He isn’t afraid to take risks, but I wonder what or who was able to counter balance him at Tesla to make that more successful. Maybe his ego was just not as big then.
I’m sad to see that group think is alive and well on lemmy, like on reddit, maybe even worse on some topics. On Elon Musk people just upvote hate and downvote anything that may even superficially seem counter to it. I wish downvoting was disabled so people can’t just mash it angrily but need to think more.
People write that lemmy is full of “tankies”, which seems at least partially true to me? So dishonest right wing rich people get extra hate? I’m trying to get a feel for the community and was hoping it would be less emotional and tribal.
Anyone who thinks Mark and Martin deserve any credit for Tesla needs their head examined. They were nothing more than yes-men for Elon’s brilliant ideas. True innovators like Elon don’t need anybody else to help them succeed
So true! My dick sucking appointment for Elon is scheduled later today, seems you already got to it!
It’s such a tragedy that Elon Musk has only one dick.
I’m trying to be unbiased here, Mark and Martin from my reading deserve some credit for the initial creation of the company and vision but I’d agree that they have very little to do with where the company is now.
Elon does play a big role, I don’t like his grandstanding and arrogant behaviour as much as the next person but to suggest otherwise would be foolish, I’m not sure how far beyond just his money and determination that contribution goes but it’s there.
It is however also foolish to not mention people like Jb Straubel, Franz von Holzhausen and many others when talking about Teslas success, if there’s one thing Elon is good at it’s getting talented people excited about hard problems.
One of the many problems with Elon is that he actively supports his portrayal as the lone technical genius who does most of the work instead of a guy who is very good at motivating (or sometimes threatening) talented people into working 80 hour weeks and also has a bit more technical understanding than the average CEO
This is the crux of it. Fanboys treat him like he does it all. Is he an educated person who has a far deeper knowledge of his company’s works than most CEOs? Unarguably, yes. He’s good at getting investors and he’s good at extracting work from employees. That’s what he does. He’s not here to save the world, he doesn’t build cars or spacecraft. He’s plainly here to be successful and make money, and if he could do it making something like an iPhone competitor or whatever it would be no different to him.
Thank you for posting a nuanced comment on this topic.
Elon Musk strikes me a lot like Steve Jobs, a micromanager that is terrible to work for but gets shit done. Seeing him flail around with twitter definitely makes me question how he was successful with Tesla. He isn’t afraid to take risks, but I wonder what or who was able to counter balance him at Tesla to make that more successful. Maybe his ego was just not as big then.
Judging by the down votes, Lemmy’s sarcasm detector is broken.
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I’m sad to see that group think is alive and well on lemmy, like on reddit, maybe even worse on some topics. On Elon Musk people just upvote hate and downvote anything that may even superficially seem counter to it. I wish downvoting was disabled so people can’t just mash it angrily but need to think more.
People write that lemmy is full of “tankies”, which seems at least partially true to me? So dishonest right wing rich people get extra hate? I’m trying to get a feel for the community and was hoping it would be less emotional and tribal.
And we’re the ones who need our head examined?
Are you retarded?
Musk won’t fuck you.