A reporter asked the governor about the hypocrisy of his stance against gender-identity and access to gender-affirming care when he chooses to present himself as taller than he is.
In a Thursday morning press conference in Florida, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, a failed 2024 presidential candidate, flanked by representatives from the Southern Poverty Law Center-designated anti-government extremist group Moms for Liberty, including co-founder Tina Descovich, attempted to defend the state’s restrictive educational policies.
In a Thursday morning press conference in Florida, the state’s Governor Ron DeSantis spoke in favor of the state’s educational policies which some groups call “over restrictive”.
Which is more biased? The first paragraph is true, but is obviously trying to paint DeSantis more negatively.
Leaving out details is also bias. Especially when those details are pertinent to the subject being reported on.
That he was talking about state policies could arguably be said to warrant including politics based details of the situation.
Him being a failed presidential candidate and attending said event with a representatives of an anti-government extremist group would probably qualify for that.
The difference between:
Man speaks at length against restrictions to future meat-production quota’s
vs
Man known for previously running on a platform of meat-quota deregulation. speaks at length against restrictions to future meat-production quota’s, surrounded by meat industry lobbyists.
Yes, the second one sounds more negative, but that’s not necessarily bias.
Do you think my comment did a reasonable job of responding to the previous comment’s question?
I agree that leaving out details is bias, and everyone has bias. Bias can’t be avoided.
The article is about DeSantis’s bigoted hypocrisy. He is a bigot and hypocrite.
It’s not relevant that he’s also a failed presidential nominee. It’s not relevant that he is backed by anti government extremists (his candidacy was aligned with that organization’s gross priorities).
The additions only serve to further alienate the reader from DeSantis and DeSantis supporters. It’s clearly biased against him.
This is an appropriate place for anti-DeSantis bias, but the person saying they were put off by the bias is entitled to feel that way too. If a person can’t see how that article is biased it says a lot about them.
I think it did a reasonable job of responding by pointing out a bias that I also think is evident. There was a choice to use certain phrases in the way they were used.
I just think the level of bias in that direction isn’t as large as it seemed because he is a politician, speaking about a situation with politics in mind. As such , details that potentially add context to the politics of the situation are relevant, that’s not necessarily bias as much as relevant context.
I don’t personally think him being a failed presidential candidate has much bearing past the possible bitterness he might be bringing to proceedings but actively choosing to appear with what could be considered an extremist group, for me, absolutely speaks to political and personal character, for good or ill ( a negative to me personally ).
The additions only serve to further alienate the reader from DeSantis and DeSantis supporters. It’s clearly biased against him.
Potentially, but that doesn’t make them inherently bias, for some that probably looks like a show of power.
That you personally think it’s a negative speaks more to your own bias than the inclusion of the details. That goes for me as well.
Choosing not to include those details could just as easily be considered bias.
If a person can’t see how that article is biased it says a lot about them.
If you mean me specifically then I’d answer that I do in fact think there’s a bias, i wasn’t arguing for the absence of bias,i was arguing that the specific bias you mentioned wasn’t the only possible kind that should be considered and that in light of the additional kinds it might move the needle of where the bias might be falling.
I’m assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you think that the included details can only be taken negatively, what does that say about your own bias?
That you personally think it’s a negative speaks more to your own bias than the inclusion of the details.
I don’t think it’s negative for people to be alienated from DeSantis. He’s a piece of shit.
If you mean me specifically…
I don’t think I do. You understand what bias is and recognize it.
I agree my proposed alternative paragraph had a centrist bias, which isn’t something I had considered while drafting it. I think that’s because centrist bias is less overt. Since I was trying to contrast against the bias in the original article I still think it was appropriate.
I’m assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you think that the included details can only be taken negatively, what does that say about your own bias?
I’m not sure I understand your question. But this is the internet so I’ll answer anyway. I think bias against DeSantis is appropriate, especially in this community. But I didn’t think the article did it very well. I feel that way because it was so overt that I fear it would never be digested by anyone on the fence. Maybe it’s because I grew up and live in a slightly less dysfunctional democracy but I prefer news articles that help people understand others.
I don’t think it’s negative for people to be alienated from DeSantis. He’s a piece of shit.
Agreed and I’m also aware that that bias can creep in to how i present information but i think blatant attempts to try and alienate people (in general) isn’t a good approach, presenting facts and well reasoned points of view will allow others to draw their own conclusions.
I don’t know if this applies to everyone, but if i get the impression that someone is trying to sway me in any direction (outside of a context where that sort of behaviour is expected and accepted by both parties) then I’d be very unlikely to take their opinion at face value.
I’m not sure I understand your question. But this is the internet so I’ll answer anyway. I think bias against DeSantis is appropriate, especially in this community. But I didn’t think the article did it very well.
Agreed, it wasn’t a well written article, at least by my standards.
Since I was trying to contrast against the bias in the original article I still think it was appropriate.
Also agreed, i was mainly pointing out that by leaving out mention of the potential other type of bias it could lead someone to think it was done intentionally, which ties in nicely with what you wrote next.
I feel that way because it was so overt that I fear it would never be digested by anyone on the fence.
Agreed and i find this to be a common problem, someone with an what would otherwise be a reasonable take pollutes my opinion of it by presenting it in such a way that it makes them seem unreasonable, be that inflammatory language, explicit bias, blatant omissions etc.
I prefer news articles that help people understand others.
This is harder and harder to find, not to say that any news has ever been bias free but to me it’s become much harder to find anything approaching a well presented article without some sort of literary shenanigans being applied.
Some people, yourself included, have gone overboard on the sensitivity towards bias. You’re at the point that including facts reads to you as bias. It’s always made sense that excluding certain facts can be perceived as a bias, but now you want an “enlightened centrist” media outlet to omit facts to paint the fascists in a better light?
You’ve gone too far. The truth is Ron is a piece of shit. If speaking that truth is biased, then reality is biased.
Bias is a preference that inhibits impartial judgement. This means reality cannot be biased. Including facts in and of itself is never biased, only excluding facts can be.
The true state of things is not a partial interpretation, it’s an impartial one. A preference or inclination does not mean bias. The preference towards resources that agree with a round earth is not bias, that’s a preference towards impartial, reality-based resources.
You’re conflating inclination with bias. Anytime anything reads as preferring one side over the other, you think it’s biased. Sometimes, some people are wrong. Saying those people are wrong is not a bias, it’s a statement of fact.
Including facts in and of itself is never biased, only excluding facts can be.
I’m not convinced that’s a meaningful distinction for media analysis. Is there resource you could point me to better understand your point? Or some examples that illustrate your point? Eg: how would you go about making this article biased against DeSantis, which facts that were included would exclude to make it biased?
The true state of things is not a partial interpretation, it’s an impartial one. A preference or inclination does not mean bias.
Which is exactly why I said you don’t understand bias when you suggested reality might be biased.
You’re conflating inclination with bias.
Could you show me where I’ve done this?
Anytime anything reads as preferring one side over the other, you think it’s biased.
None of the people claiming to be Christians actually believe or are devout worshippers. They do it for financial gain. Just like the moms for liberty woman claiming Christian values while making sex tapes. It’s all a game, easily played.
Which is more biased? The first paragraph is true, but is obviously trying to paint DeSantis more negatively.
Leaving out details is also bias. Especially when those details are pertinent to the subject being reported on.
That he was talking about state policies could arguably be said to warrant including politics based details of the situation. Him being a failed presidential candidate and attending said event with a representatives of an anti-government extremist group would probably qualify for that.
The difference between:
vs
Yes, the second one sounds more negative, but that’s not necessarily bias.
Do you think my comment did a reasonable job of responding to the previous comment’s question?
I agree that leaving out details is bias, and everyone has bias. Bias can’t be avoided.
The article is about DeSantis’s bigoted hypocrisy. He is a bigot and hypocrite.
It’s not relevant that he’s also a failed presidential nominee. It’s not relevant that he is backed by anti government extremists (his candidacy was aligned with that organization’s gross priorities).
The additions only serve to further alienate the reader from DeSantis and DeSantis supporters. It’s clearly biased against him.
This is an appropriate place for anti-DeSantis bias, but the person saying they were put off by the bias is entitled to feel that way too. If a person can’t see how that article is biased it says a lot about them.
I think it did a reasonable job of responding by pointing out a bias that I also think is evident. There was a choice to use certain phrases in the way they were used.
I just think the level of bias in that direction isn’t as large as it seemed because he is a politician, speaking about a situation with politics in mind. As such , details that potentially add context to the politics of the situation are relevant, that’s not necessarily bias as much as relevant context.
I don’t personally think him being a failed presidential candidate has much bearing past the possible bitterness he might be bringing to proceedings but actively choosing to appear with what could be considered an extremist group, for me, absolutely speaks to political and personal character, for good or ill ( a negative to me personally ).
Potentially, but that doesn’t make them inherently bias, for some that probably looks like a show of power.
That you personally think it’s a negative speaks more to your own bias than the inclusion of the details. That goes for me as well.
Choosing not to include those details could just as easily be considered bias.
If you mean me specifically then I’d answer that I do in fact think there’s a bias, i wasn’t arguing for the absence of bias,i was arguing that the specific bias you mentioned wasn’t the only possible kind that should be considered and that in light of the additional kinds it might move the needle of where the bias might be falling.
I’m assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you think that the included details can only be taken negatively, what does that say about your own bias?
I don’t think it’s negative for people to be alienated from DeSantis. He’s a piece of shit.
I don’t think I do. You understand what bias is and recognize it.
I agree my proposed alternative paragraph had a centrist bias, which isn’t something I had considered while drafting it. I think that’s because centrist bias is less overt. Since I was trying to contrast against the bias in the original article I still think it was appropriate.
I’m not sure I understand your question. But this is the internet so I’ll answer anyway. I think bias against DeSantis is appropriate, especially in this community. But I didn’t think the article did it very well. I feel that way because it was so overt that I fear it would never be digested by anyone on the fence. Maybe it’s because I grew up and live in a slightly less dysfunctional democracy but I prefer news articles that help people understand others.
Agreed and I’m also aware that that bias can creep in to how i present information but i think blatant attempts to try and alienate people (in general) isn’t a good approach, presenting facts and well reasoned points of view will allow others to draw their own conclusions.
I don’t know if this applies to everyone, but if i get the impression that someone is trying to sway me in any direction (outside of a context where that sort of behaviour is expected and accepted by both parties) then I’d be very unlikely to take their opinion at face value.
Agreed, it wasn’t a well written article, at least by my standards.
Also agreed, i was mainly pointing out that by leaving out mention of the potential other type of bias it could lead someone to think it was done intentionally, which ties in nicely with what you wrote next.
Agreed and i find this to be a common problem, someone with an what would otherwise be a reasonable take pollutes my opinion of it by presenting it in such a way that it makes them seem unreasonable, be that inflammatory language, explicit bias, blatant omissions etc.
This is harder and harder to find, not to say that any news has ever been bias free but to me it’s become much harder to find anything approaching a well presented article without some sort of literary shenanigans being applied.
Any article that talks about DeSantis without leaving you with the impression he’s a psychotic asshole is leaving things out to make him look better.
Lol yeah, but in this case you can do it while staying on topic.
Some people, yourself included, have gone overboard on the sensitivity towards bias. You’re at the point that including facts reads to you as bias. It’s always made sense that excluding certain facts can be perceived as a bias, but now you want an “enlightened centrist” media outlet to omit facts to paint the fascists in a better light?
You’ve gone too far. The truth is Ron is a piece of shit. If speaking that truth is biased, then reality is biased.
Exactly
No, I have no problem with the bias. Yes deciding what facts to include is a way bias manifests. Everything has bias.
I do not have a preference for centrism. I’ve said that this community is an appropriate place for anti-desantis bias.
Someone asked how is this article biased and I gave an example of how it’s biased and everyone concluded I’m a radical centrist.
As you or someone else pointed out, a preference for centrism is a bias. I agree, but it’s a less overt bias.
What the fuck, no! Someone asked how this article is biased and I gave an example.
I agree he is a piece of shit, but I don’t think you understand bias.
Bias is a preference that inhibits impartial judgement. This means reality cannot be biased. Including facts in and of itself is never biased, only excluding facts can be.
The true state of things is not a partial interpretation, it’s an impartial one. A preference or inclination does not mean bias. The preference towards resources that agree with a round earth is not bias, that’s a preference towards impartial, reality-based resources.
You’re conflating inclination with bias. Anytime anything reads as preferring one side over the other, you think it’s biased. Sometimes, some people are wrong. Saying those people are wrong is not a bias, it’s a statement of fact.
I’m not convinced that’s a meaningful distinction for media analysis. Is there resource you could point me to better understand your point? Or some examples that illustrate your point? Eg: how would you go about making this article biased against DeSantis, which facts that were included would exclude to make it biased?
Which is exactly why I said you don’t understand bias when you suggested reality might be biased.
Could you show me where I’ve done this?
Could you show me where I’ve done this?
I really hope that DeSantis gets judged by the God he believes in. As an atheist, I know that his God will judge him poorly.
None of the people claiming to be Christians actually believe or are devout worshippers. They do it for financial gain. Just like the moms for liberty woman claiming Christian values while making sex tapes. It’s all a game, easily played.
I hope he’ll recognize the harm his rhetoric is causing and spend the rest of his life helping people he has harmed.
It’s scant hope, but IMO more likely than the existence of a Christian god.