The Danish health minister should “get on a plane and visit” some of the thousands of women thought to be living with the consequences of being forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil as children, Greenland’s gender equality minister has said.

In an attempt to reduce the population of the former Danish colony, at least 4,500 women and girls are believed to have undergone the medical procedure, usually without their consent or knowledge, at the hands of Danish doctors between 1966 and 1970 alone.

The total number of those affected by the procedures, thought to have continued for decades, is understood to be far higher. Victims and their lawyers say generations of Inuit women were left traumatised and suffering reproductive complications, including infertility, as a result of the Danish state’s policy.

Earlier this month, a group of 143 women sued the Danish state over the alleged violations, but they have yet to receive a response from the government, despite the Danish prime minister visiting Greenland – now an autonomous territory of Denmark – soon after.

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    White is an exclusionary concept. If someone is half black, half asian or half hispanic, then they are typically treated by society as non-white unless they are white-passing, and even then their treatment will change as soon as their family is included in the picture. They are not considered non-black, non-asian or non-hispanic.

    Are you fucking kidding me

    This is not even close to true.

    Any time anyone wants to fuck with you, they get to say you aren’t white or non-white enough for whatever the fuck is going on at the moment.

    It’s easy to say that you would consider them half/half, but that’s just not what they experience in the world outside this comment thread, so it’s meaningless.

    Thank you for informing me about the experiences of my life and many other mixed-race individuals; what would I do without someone to tell me what I REALLY experience?

    White people generally hear racism from other white people. But there’s a whole fucking world of racism out there, and “Mixed race people only suffer because they’re non-white!” is fucking ignorant of the facts on the ground.

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      It’s telling that the only real example of so-called anti-white racism that anyone can come up with is about someone who is mixed-race experiencing discrimination from their family.

      It sucks and I’m sorry that happens to you, but it’s not anti-white. It’s another form of racism that only affects non-white people. Just because it comes from non-white people doesn’t make it anti-white.

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        from their family.

        Lmao.

        Not just family.

        It sucks and I’m sorry that happens to you, but it’s not anti-white. It’s another form of racism that only affects non-white people. Just because it comes from non-white people doesn’t make it anti-white.

        So let me get this straight:

        Denigrating someone explicitly because of their white ancestry is not anti-white.

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          Fine, “other members of their community.”

          So let me get this straight:

          Denigrating someone explicitly because of their white ancestry is not anti-white.

          Does it happen to and genuinely negatively affect white people? Or are they specifically targeting you as a mixed-race person?

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            Does it happen to and genuinely negatively affect white people?

            Yes, white people are negatively affected by being denigrated too.

            Or are they specifically targeting you as a mixed-race person?

            When you’re mixed-race, often you’re not seen as mixed-race. Often, you’re seen as whatever race is most convenient to the prejudices of the observer.

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              Yes, white people are negatively affected by being denigrated too.

              “Denigrated”? Sure. We’re talking about the specific oppression you’re talking about, and I don’t see any examples of this kind of racism affecting white people.

              And starting with “When you’re mixed-race” doesn’t really create the impression that this is a form of oppression that affects other people.

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                “Denigrated”? Sure. We’re talking about the specific oppression you’re talking about, and I don’t see any examples of this kind of racism affecting white people.

                You… don’t see any examples… of white people being denigrated for their ancestry…?

                Like, it’s obviously not on the level of anti-Black racism. But are you being serious right now?

                And starting with “When you’re mixed-race” doesn’t really create the impression that this is a form of oppression that affects other people.

                … I don’t really understand where you think anti-white denigration to a mixed-race individual springs from if not anti-white sentiment. Like, by definition, here, mixed-race individuals are attacked in many cases because they’re seen either as completely white, or as ‘too white’.

                Is it… only not okay to engage in anti-white racism if you’re sure the person is of Pure White Blood™? If I get called a cracker, should my response be “No, no, I’m mixed-race, I’m one of the cool ones”?

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                  If a black person called me a cracker it wouldn’t scare me very much because I know that I have the privilege of being white, and I know that, whether I like it or not, the entire white-supremacist apparatus of the state is likely to prevent me from having to deal with any racial oppression. Those individual people could still hurt me, but so could anyone. They are still far less likely to attack me because they know how dangerous that would be for them, but a white person attacking a black person is more likely to be protected.

                  When you get called “cracker”, you know that you don’t have that apparatus behind you. You know that cops, the legal system, and myriad other racist things that you probably know better than me, are still going to treat you as non-white. So the “cracker” attack hurts because you’re being excluded from the community that would otherwise protect you when the apparatus of the state won’t. I’m not trying to whitesplain this to you, that’s very much what you described when you called it “rage and absolute isolation”.

                  That’s why the attack hurts you as a mixed-race person, but not me as a white person. I do not experience that isolation. That’s the difference.

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                    it wouldn’t scare me very much because I know that I have the privilege of being white

                    That’s simple, that’s because you’re racist.

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                    If a black person called me a cracker it wouldn’t scare me very much because I know that I have the privilege of being white, and I know that, whether I like it or not, the entire white-supremacist apparatus of the state is likely to prevent me from having to deal with any serious oppression. Those individual people could still hurt me, but so could anyone. They are still far less likely to attack me because they know how dangerous that would be for them, but a white person attacking a black person is more likely to be protected.

                    … do you think racists often engage in in-depth calculus of their odds, or are they impulsive shitheads? Because in my experience, racists are the latter.

                    When you get called “cracker”, you know that you don’t have that apparatus behind you. You know that cops, the legal system, and myriad other racist things that you probably know better than me, are still going to treat you as non-white.

                    Or they might treat me as white.

                    So the “cracker” attack hurts because you’re being excluded from the community that would otherwise protect you when the apparatus of the state won’t.

                    No, that’s definitely not it. The “cracker” attack hurts because it’s an invalidation of who I am, or who I’m perceived to be. I don’t expect my community to protect me where the state wouldn’t. That’s… not even close to my experience of expectations of community.

                    If I get called a cracker by someone who doesn’t share either of my racial backgrounds, do you think that hurts… less?

                    I’m not trying to whitesplain this to you, that’s very much what you described when you called it “rage and absolute isolation”.

                    What you are describing is rage and absolute isolation, but not the rage and absolute isolation I was talking about.

                    That’s why the attack hurts you as a mixed-race person, but not me as a white person. I do not experience that isolation. That’s the difference.

                    You don’t experience the isolation. That doesn’t mean that denigrating you for your ancestry suddenly becomes acceptable. It is racist, and, furthermore, the prevalence of anti-white racism, even when not directed at mixed-race people, is still harmful to mixed-race people.

                    Another way of putting it - a man’s daughter hears him calling her mother a bitch. It doesn’t matter that it’s not directed at her.