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    7 months ago

    this should be the biggest takeaway from this election cycle and it saddens me to see that american liberals drink as much coolaid as maga and that they’re become more prevalent in the fediverse.

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      7 months ago

      Why would this surprise you? Democrats are center right politically, they’re just as happy to flirt with authoritarianism when it suits them.

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      7 months ago

      Anarchists hate tankies. Tankies hate liberals. Liberals hate anarchists. Meanwhile, Trump, fascism, and Project 2025 is on the horizon. Reach across the divide. When the fascists come for you, are you really gonna ask if the people willing to fight with you are Leninists, Trotskyist, or social Democrats?

      We can criticize ideals, but at the end of the day, we’re all fighting fascism.

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        7 months ago

        This is the same common wisdom that says liberals and socialist can’t get along; but there’s plenty to say otherwise.

        My desire is to not enable fascim from any direction; both conservative and liberal varieties alike.

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      It’s not Kool aid, it’s an understanding of reality. There’s no chance of running a third party or another democrat in this month of this year in this election .

      Your only choice is to either vote Biden, and try to convince him to change policy, or do any other action and be fine with trump, who will never be convinced of anything, will happily build an actual Christian nation-state and is likely compromised by foreign actors .

      After the election, hoping Biden wins, is the time for leftists to wake up and build a candidate. If trump wins they may never get the chance due to project 2025.

      It’s like this:

      The floor is covered in broken glass. You must cross it to get out.

      You are wearing very uncomfortable high heel shoes.

      You can either remove the uncomfortable shoes and walk in the broken glass, taking massive damage. Your feet will never be the same.

      Or you can wear the uncomfortable shoes, safely cross the room, and then stop once you are out, and either remove the shoes and find new ones.

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        7 months ago

        Your only choice is to either vote Biden, and try to convince him to change policy, or do any other action and be fine with trump

        i am not fine with biden or trump.

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          7 months ago

          That’s fine, but you are in a game. You have 2 choices. Your actions influence ONLY the possible success of one of those two names.

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            7 months ago

            i’m going to be voting for cornel west or jill stein (or de la cruz if someone can convince me). but i won’t be voting for fascists.

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              7 months ago

              And depending on your county/state, your vote will do nothing, or help trump. Enjoy.

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                7 months ago

                my vote will add one to the vote total of the candidate for whom i vote. unless that person is trump (it won’t be), then i am voting against trump.

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                  That’s fun fairy time, but it isn’t reality. You need to research how game theory, and the availability (or lack) of true choice works.

                  You are literally at the precipice of “do I like the giant douche, or the turd sandwich”. You cannot have anything else.

                  Edit in some cases (location dependant) chosing a third means you implicitly choose the distant other

                  I.e. if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

                  Another flavor: if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump. You are feeding the uncertainty of contest.

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                    if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

                    wrong. only a vote for trump helps trump

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                    7 months ago

                    game theory

                    game theory does not actually describe how people do or should act. it is an academic exercise that you should leave to the academy

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                    if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump

                    this is election misinformation. only a vote for trump is a vote for trump

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                    You cannot have anything else.

                    i will not do something immoral like vote for biden or trump.