Hello Users of Hexbear I wanted to have a featured post discussing the next
steps for federation. We have discussed this at length among the mod team, and
it is pretty much evenly split between federating based on a "block-list" or
federating based on an "allow-list". While the mod team slightly skewed in favor
of federating using a block-list, meaning that any instance not specifically
blocked will be able to link with hexbear.net, we will be starting with an
allow-list. What this means is that only instances specifically on our
allow-list will be able to link with us, there are a few reasons for this. We
wanted to slowly integrate into the fediverse to see what it would mean for
hexbear.net's culture as well as how we fit into the wider fediverse. We also
wanted to ensure that we did not link with any instance that does not block
threads, or does not block the reactionary/fash/pedo instances.
I was honestly suprised to discover that most lemmy instances block lemmygrad.ml
but do not block the reactionary/pedo instances, sad. Here is a tenative list of
what our allow-list would look like: https://pathofexile-discuss.com/instances ,
https://possumpat.io/instances , https://lemmy.ml/instances ,
https://sopuli.xyz/instances , https://discuss.tchncs.de/instances ,
https://lemmygrad.ml/instances , https://mander.xyz/ , https://lemm.ee/ ,
toots.matapocos.dog a block-list would be massive and exhaustive to ensure that
we do not federate with any pornographic, reactionary, fascist, racist,
homophobic, transphobic, or csam-adjacent instances. We will be creating a
pinned post in c/hexbear where additional instances can be nominated for
addition to the allow-list. https://www.hexbear.net/post/277506 Please see these
previous posts by Nagarjuna regarding federation:
https://www.hexbear.net/post/273407 and https://www.hexbear.net/post/273404 If
you would like to officially put down your opinion on federation, please make a
comment with a ⬛️ if you'd like to federate based on a block-list, a ⬜️ if you'd
like to federate based on an allow-list, or a 🚫 if you do not with to federate
at all. Thank you and as usual off-topic comments will be removed.
Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow
There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.
I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions
Is there a specific date of when they will federate with us that I’m not aware of? Because I don’t see anything other than “soon™”.
Also there are a lot of people in that thread who don’t seem to understand what lemmy/federation even is or how it works. Despite how worrisome some of their users and rules can be (CW on meat and milk products? That has to be ironic, right?) I’ll still welcome all Hexbears if they follow the rules. I look forward to the day where our communities can finally interact with each other
It’s not ironic, the admins invited a vegan circlejerk subreddit and started enforcing the party line that “animal liberation is a crucial component of revolutionary praxis” or something like that.
I think animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support. I’m not a vegan, but I do have vegan sympathies. I’m hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison, and where synthetic/lab-grown meat can become the main option for a majority of the population.
I think its a matter of when, not if. Or at the very least, I think slaughterhouses and farming can be made much more humane for the animals, since profit won’t be a motivation, and only feeding people will be. No reason not to treat your food to be the equivalent of a luxury resort before you eventually peacefully harvest them.
If it would be humane in the future, isn’t that the same argument as improving worker’s rights under capitalism? We must fully reject exploitation and inequality of all forms, including classism or speciesism.
Please don’t parrot the tired talking point of equating sentient animals with plants. If you are pathologically predisposed to not being able to plant based food, just keep it to yourself instead of regurgitating bad faith arguments.
I’m hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison
Well, we’re already there but the majority of people still don’t see it as barbaric. Some people have been vegan their whole lives, in perfect health, and reached peak athletic condition.
I believe it’s more of a cultural problem, and a practice that’s kept alive by our current superstructure. In France for example, eating cheese, saucisson, and foie gras is seen as an essential part of being French. Because of that, many people see “being vegan” as an attack on their identity, they don’t think/care about the harm they are causing.
We have all the information available about animal suffering, environmental damage, livestock-related zoonoses, slaughter house workers PTSD incidence… but it’s pretty complicated for people to change habits when they already made them a part of who they are, and have an emotional attachement to them.
animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support
I agree animal liberation should be supported, the same way charity should be supported. But not all good things are socialism, and socialism does not encompass all good things.
The bottom line for me is that animals cannot be my comrades the same way people can. They cannot organize and take action the same way people can. Animal liberation can only be accomplished after capitalism is defeated, and it’s people, not animals, who will accomplish that. So how can I say animal liberation and worker liberation are equal priorities for socialists?
Yeah, we should all try to have a consistent set of moral principles. CW on products of animal exploitation shouldn’t be opposed, but rather cause people to stop and think about the reasoning behind it, and the conclusion, I think, should be obvious.
Is there a specific date of when they will federate with us that I’m not aware of? Because I don’t see anything other than “soon™”.
Also there are a lot of people in that thread who don’t seem to understand what lemmy/federation even is or how it works. Despite how worrisome some of their users and rules can be (CW on meat and milk products? That has to be ironic, right?) I’ll still welcome all Hexbears if they follow the rules. I look forward to the day where our communities can finally interact with each other
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Good, thank you for doing that.
It’s not ironic, the admins invited a vegan circlejerk subreddit and started enforcing the party line that “animal liberation is a crucial component of revolutionary praxis” or something like that.
It still causes struggle sessions.
I think animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support. I’m not a vegan, but I do have vegan sympathies. I’m hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison, and where synthetic/lab-grown meat can become the main option for a majority of the population.
I think its a matter of when, not if. Or at the very least, I think slaughterhouses and farming can be made much more humane for the animals, since profit won’t be a motivation, and only feeding people will be. No reason not to treat your food to be the equivalent of a luxury resort before you eventually peacefully harvest them.
I would agree wholeheartedly that current practices are industrialized torture.
I would also agree that in a better future it can be done humanely.
I even used to be vegan, so I’m not unsympathetic. They just weren’t sending their best to hexbear. literally a circlejerk subreddit 🤷
If it would be humane in the future, isn’t that the same argument as improving worker’s rights under capitalism? We must fully reject exploitation and inequality of all forms, including classism or speciesism.
Shouln’t we also stop eating plants then? Even if they are fundamentally different beings and have a compleately different understanding of the world
Please don’t parrot the tired talking point of equating sentient animals with plants. If you are pathologically predisposed to not being able to plant based food, just keep it to yourself instead of regurgitating bad faith arguments.
What would you consider humane treatment to be in this hypothetical future?
How meat will be handled under socialism.
they had to make a transphobic joke in there didnt they 🙃
Yeah, the show has a lot of problematic bits.
Well, we’re already there but the majority of people still don’t see it as barbaric. Some people have been vegan their whole lives, in perfect health, and reached peak athletic condition.
I believe it’s more of a cultural problem, and a practice that’s kept alive by our current superstructure. In France for example, eating cheese, saucisson, and foie gras is seen as an essential part of being French. Because of that, many people see “being vegan” as an attack on their identity, they don’t think/care about the harm they are causing.
We have all the information available about animal suffering, environmental damage, livestock-related zoonoses, slaughter house workers PTSD incidence… but it’s pretty complicated for people to change habits when they already made them a part of who they are, and have an emotional attachement to them.
I agree animal liberation should be supported, the same way charity should be supported. But not all good things are socialism, and socialism does not encompass all good things.
The bottom line for me is that animals cannot be my comrades the same way people can. They cannot organize and take action the same way people can. Animal liberation can only be accomplished after capitalism is defeated, and it’s people, not animals, who will accomplish that. So how can I say animal liberation and worker liberation are equal priorities for socialists?
The important thing is that we as communists must protect those who are opressed.
And that includes animals
Not only is it not ironic: it’s based as fuck.
Yeah, we should all try to have a consistent set of moral principles. CW on products of animal exploitation shouldn’t be opposed, but rather cause people to stop and think about the reasoning behind it, and the conclusion, I think, should be obvious.
Agreed. I think animal liberation should be a stated goal of any socialist revolution.