Thereâs a few reasons why he was charged, both as an actor and producer. Gun safety just canât be fucked around with.
In the document, prosecutors accused Baldwin of âmany instances of extremely reckless actsâ during the filmâs production.
They wrote that Baldwin âwas not presentâ for mandatory firearms training before filming began. He was instead provided on-set guidance but prosecutors allege he was âdistracted and talking on his cell phone to his family.â The training session was scheduled for an hour but was only 30 minutes long due to Baldwinâs âdistractionâ on the phone.
⊠The prosecutorâs statement described several âacts or omissions of recklessnessâ on the set of Rust. This included foregoing the use of a prop gun during unscheduled rehearsals, willful ignorance toward on-set safety complaints and a lack of armourer-performed safety checks.
Iâm no lawyer or anything, but Baldwin has been an actor in professional movies with prop guns for a long time, I think itâs going to be hard for them to pin it on him (as an actor) for supposedly blowing off a single firearms course, and even thatâs unconfirmed right? I think itâs unlikely that theyâll charge him as a producer as well, because it sounds like they hired all the right people for the job and had firearms training and everything.
This whole thing just sounds like lawyers passing the buck back and forth, so who even knows what actually happened at this point. Will be interesting to see what comes up over time.
I kind of agree but if an incident happens on a site where the shooter wasnât paying attention to training and never attended the initial safety briefing then thatâs their own problem.
Working in construction, if I never turned up to a health and safety briefing ( and let me tell you theyâre repetitive as fuck) and something went wrong but my excuse was âI didnât need to go cos Iâve been to these beforeâ it wouldnât go in my favour whatsoever. I donât think itâs a reasonable excuse either. If thereâs potential for lives to be at stake, you should be paying attention. At the very least, even if not for other peopleâs lives, just go so you can say you listened and followed every instruction but the mistake still happened. That way youve covered your own back.
Iâve heard that too, but I think at this point even thatâs unconfirmed and we still arenât sure who was actually shooting live rounds from them.
Also is that not allowed? I honestly have no idea how that works. Youâd think a movie set gun shouldnât have live rounds in it ever, but I guess the production could be renting the gun from someone and theyâd take it home every nightâŠ
As a construction worker or an engineer, you need to take a safety training for each new construction site you go on, even if itâs your 40th worksite. So I feel like itâs not so hard to pin Baldwin for not taking the hour course properly.
In a civil suit maybe, but for criminal charges youâd have to prove that he did blow off the course and the shooting was a direct result of him blowing off the course. Both are just very hard to prove.
Weâre talking manslaughter charges here, Baldwinâs lawyer doesnât have to prove heâs not at fault, the prosecution has to prove without a reasonable doubt that he is at fault. Very different things.
He has both criminal and civil charges being brought against him though, and the civil charges have a much lower standard. He might not be charged with manslaughter, but still be liable as the one at fault
But if he has so much experience with guns on movie sets, then he knows how to property handle firearms safely, and if he followed proper gun safety he wouldnât have shot anyone
Thereâs a few reasons why he was charged, both as an actor and producer. Gun safety just canât be fucked around with.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9451182/alec-baldwin-rust-manslaughter-charge-phone/amp/
Iâm no lawyer or anything, but Baldwin has been an actor in professional movies with prop guns for a long time, I think itâs going to be hard for them to pin it on him (as an actor) for supposedly blowing off a single firearms course, and even thatâs unconfirmed right? I think itâs unlikely that theyâll charge him as a producer as well, because it sounds like they hired all the right people for the job and had firearms training and everything.
This whole thing just sounds like lawyers passing the buck back and forth, so who even knows what actually happened at this point. Will be interesting to see what comes up over time.
I kind of agree but if an incident happens on a site where the shooter wasnât paying attention to training and never attended the initial safety briefing then thatâs their own problem.
Working in construction, if I never turned up to a health and safety briefing ( and let me tell you theyâre repetitive as fuck) and something went wrong but my excuse was âI didnât need to go cos Iâve been to these beforeâ it wouldnât go in my favour whatsoever. I donât think itâs a reasonable excuse either. If thereâs potential for lives to be at stake, you should be paying attention. At the very least, even if not for other peopleâs lives, just go so you can say you listened and followed every instruction but the mistake still happened. That way youve covered your own back.
Werenât they using the guns for target practice for fun at some point?
Iâve heard that too, but I think at this point even thatâs unconfirmed and we still arenât sure who was actually shooting live rounds from them.
Also is that not allowed? I honestly have no idea how that works. Youâd think a movie set gun shouldnât have live rounds in it ever, but I guess the production could be renting the gun from someone and theyâd take it home every nightâŠ
As a construction worker or an engineer, you need to take a safety training for each new construction site you go on, even if itâs your 40th worksite. So I feel like itâs not so hard to pin Baldwin for not taking the hour course properly.
In a civil suit maybe, but for criminal charges youâd have to prove that he did blow off the course and the shooting was a direct result of him blowing off the course. Both are just very hard to prove.
âYeah he blew off this years mandatory training, but he showed up to last years training, it canât be his fault!â.
Idk that doesnât really seem like a valid excuse
Weâre talking manslaughter charges here, Baldwinâs lawyer doesnât have to prove heâs not at fault, the prosecution has to prove without a reasonable doubt that he is at fault. Very different things.
He has both criminal and civil charges being brought against him though, and the civil charges have a much lower standard. He might not be charged with manslaughter, but still be liable as the one at fault
Yeah for sure, but I mean the context of this conversation is him being actually charged.
But if he has so much experience with guns on movie sets, then he knows how to property handle firearms safely, and if he followed proper gun safety he wouldnât have shot anyone