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    >“Nothing justifies genocide.”

    >Proceeds to make arguments justifying genocide

    I have no idea how you could possibly think this supports your position on things.

    If Major Kira was living under a government that offered no alternative to genocide, she’d take up a phaser and start killing government officials, you know, like she literally did, in the show. She’d never condone someone who supported genocide, even if it meant resorting to violent opposition instead.

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      Proceeds to make arguments justifying genocide

      “Justifying genocide is when you oppose genocide, and the more you oppose it, the more you justify it” - Very Serious Lemmings

      Alternatively, “The prospect of an eventual violent revolution justifies genocide” - Very Serious Lemmings

      Or more realistically, “I think that the prospect of virtue signaling without affecting government policy justifies genocide, because that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside” - Very Serious Lemmings

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          I’m not accusing you of supporting genocide for voting against a fascist, I’m also voting against a fascist. I’m accusing you of supporting genocide for voting for a candidate that supports genocide. There’s nothing “secret” about it, it’s your openly expressed position.

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        “Justifying genocide is when you oppose genocide, and the more you oppose it, the more you justify it” - Very Serious Lemmings

        “Opposing genocide is when you vote for someone doing a genocide and the harder you post about supporting them the more you oppose it” - Very Serious Lemmings 🤡

        It’s very funny to me that you received friendly fire because people on your side saw a simple “genocide is bad” meme and just assumed it was about them. You’d think that would lead to introspection but what do I know lol.

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          “Opposing genocide is when you vote for someone doing a genocide and the harder you post about supporting them the more you oppose it” - Very Serious Lemmings 🤡

          Ah, the good old “Thoughts and prayers to LGBT folk who are going to be genocided in the US under a Trump regime”, how classy. You’re literally just endorsing fascism with extra steps, but I’m sure we’ll have great fun in the camps together when you say “AT LEAST I DIDN’T VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS”

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            The democrats aren’t going to coerce me into voting for genocide no matter how many far-right politicians they fund and support to threaten me. After all:

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              If you comment more, people will forget your bad takes and agree with you. Surely.

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              The democrats aren’t going to coerce me into voting for genocide

              Oh, cool, so you’re not voting for the option that intensifies genocide, right?

              … right…?

              Oh, who am I kidding? You’ll do whatever you can to ensure a Trump victory and the total genocide of Palestinians.

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                Oh, cool, so you’re not voting for the option that intensifies genocide, right?

                Yes, obviously. I’m not voting for either of the options that intensify genocide.

                Oh, who am I kidding? You’ll do whatever you can to ensure a Trump victory and the total genocide of Palestinians.

                This coming from someone who literally eats babies. See, I can make shit up too.

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                  Yes, obviously. I’m not voting for either of the options that intensify genocide.

                  The classic “I’m going to uproot the tracks!” answer to the trolley problem, while sitting by and doing nothing of the sort. A fascist’s best friend. :)

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                    I’ve seen two interesting spins on the trolley problem recently.

                    1. “Just blow up the trolley.” This is actually a very apt description of accelerationism. Blowing up the trolley doesn’t stop the forward momentum – it just turns the trolley barrelling towards the trapped people into a fiery wreckage barreling towards the trapped people. Plus if there’s people on the trolley… Yeah.

                    2. “Untie the trapped people while other people push back and stop the trolley”. This is once again rather emblematic, this time of blind idealism. The idea that if we get enough people, then we can stop the trolley, sounds good on paper and makes you feel nice. But it ignores the reality that people cannot hold back a trolley like that. It just isn’t possible for the necessary number of people to simultaneously push back against it.

                    Not to mention, the whole point of the trolley problem is that the trolley is a metaphor for an unstoppable event that is impossible to avoid. It’s nice to think we could dismantle it, but we can’t.

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                    The trolley problem is a thought experiment, intentionally contrived to remove any alternatives to the two options. It isn’t applicable to real life.

                    You’re literally a Trump supporter so I don’t want to hear you accusing me of being “a fascist’s best friend.”

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                  Oh, look. Another hopeful leader for the resistance when the red hats take over. Like we ain’t got a million of those lying around somewhere. Have fun getting caught and thrown in a camp.

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          It’s very funny to me that you received friendly fire because people on your side saw a simple “genocide is bad” meme and just assumed it was about them.

          I think it’s more that OP has made numerous comments in this thread arguing that we should vote for Biden.

          OP’s vibe seems to be “Yes, I really really really do oppose genocide… but the responsible thing is to vote for Biden, and people who won’t support him are the true genocide enablers.”

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            Right, he’s a Biden stan and other Biden stans are attacking him for posting “genocide is bad” with one even calling it a “fascist dogwhistle.”

            “Are we the baddies?” moment.

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              Oh, right. Now I follow.

              Yeah, the Biden supporters are all doing ridiculous mental gymnastics. I’m not sure I’ve seen mental gymnastics like this outside of a cult.

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      And the commander of DS9 literally poisoned civilian settlements in one episode.

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          Season 5, Episode 13 For The Uniform

          He does this to a Maquis settlement after they had similarly poisoned two Cardassian planets.

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          I’ll dig around, TBH I saw it on a YouTube clip a few months ago. He was chasing a terrorist I think in the defender and he retreated to this planet. And sico? was like if you don’t give up I’m going to poison the atmosphere with blah blah, and then he did it. And was like holy fuck did a star Trek Captain just commit genocide/war crimes? WTF…