He may be a sucker but at least he is engaging with the topic. The sheer lack of curiosity toward so-called “artificial intelligence” here on hexbear is just as frustrating as any of the bazinga takes on . No material analysis, no good faith discussion, no strategy to liberate these tools in service of the proletariat - just the occasional dunk post and an endless stream of the same snide remarks from the usuals.
The hexbear party line toward LLMs and similar technologies is straight up reactionary. If we don’t look for ways to utilize, subvert and counter these technologies while they’re still in their infancy then these dorks are going to be the only ones who know how to use them. And if we don’t interact with the underlying philosophical questions concerning sentience and consciousness, those same dorks will also have control of the narrative.
Are we just content to hand over a new means of production and information warfare to the technophile neo-feudalists of Silicon Valley with zero resistance? Yes, apparently, and it is so much more disappointing than seeing the target demographic of a marketing stunt buy into that marketing stunt.
Are we just content to hand over a new means of production and information warfare to the technophile neo-feudalists of Silicon Valley with zero resistance? Yes, apparently, and it is so much more disappointing than seeing the target demographic of a marketing stunt buy into that marketing stunt.
As it stands, the capitalists already have the old means of information warfare – this tech represents an acceleration of existing trends, not the creation of something new. What do you want from this, exactly? Large language models that do a predictive text – but with filters installed by communists, rather than the PR arm of a company? That won’t be nearly as convincing as just talking and organizing with people in real life.
Besides, if it turns out there really is a transformational threat, that it represents some weird new means of production, it’s still just a programme on a server. Computers are very, very fragile. I’m just not too worried about it.
The sheer lack of curiosity toward so-called “artificial intelligence” here on hexbear
Definite what you mean by “curiosity.” Is it also a “lack of curiosity” for people to dunk on and heckle NFT peddlers instead of entertaining their proposals?
is just as frustrating
Even at its extremes that I don’t agree with myself, I disagree here. No, it is not just as frustrating.
No material analysis
Then bring some. Don’t just say Hexbears suck because they’re not “curious” enough about the treat printers.
is straight up reactionary
And hating on leftists in favor of your unspecified “curiosity” position is what exactly by comparison?
Are we just content to hand over a new means of production and information warfare to the technophile neo-feudalists of Silicon Valley with zero resistance
What does your “curiosity” propose that is actual resistance and not playing into their hands or even buying into the marketing hype?
No, LLMs are not “AI”. No, mocking these people is not “reactionary”. No, cloaking your personal stance on leftist language doesn’t make it any more correct. No, they are not on the verge of developing superhuman AI.
And if we don’t interact with the underlying philosophical questions concerning sentience and consciousness, those same dorks will also have control of the narrative.
Have you read like, anything at all in this thread? There is no way you can possibly say no one here is “interacting with the underlying philosophical questions” in good faith. There’s plenty of discussion, you just disagree with it.
Are we just content to hand over a new means of production and information warfare to the technophile neo-feudalists of Silicon Valley with zero resistance? Yes, apparently, and it is so much more disappointing than seeing the target demographic of a marketing stunt buy into that marketing stunt.
What the fuck are you talking about? We’re “handing it over to them” because we don’t take their word at face value? Like nobody here has been extremely opposed to the usage of “AI” to undermine working class power? This is bad faith bullshit and you know it.
I see it as low-key crybully shit to come here, dunk on Hexbears and call them names for not being “curious” enough about LLMs, and act like some disadvantaged aggrieved party while also standing closer to the billionaires’ current position than anywhere near those they’re raging at here.
It’s a glorified speak-n-spell, not a one benefit to the working class. A constant, unrelenting push for a democratization of education will do infinitely more for the working class than learning how best to have a machine write a story. Should this be worked on and researched? absolutely. Should it not be allowed out of the confines of people who understand thoroughly what it is and what it can and cannot do? yes. We shouldn’t be using this for the same reason you don’t use a gag dictionary for a research project. Grow up
astroturfing only works when your views tie into the mainstream narrative. Besides, there’s no competing with the people who have access to the best computers, most coders, and have backdoors and access to every platform. Smarter move is to back up the workers who are having their jobs threatened over this.
He may be a sucker but at least he is engaging with the topic. The sheer lack of curiosity toward so-called “artificial intelligence” here on hexbear is just as frustrating as any of the bazinga takes on
. No material analysis, no good faith discussion, no strategy to liberate these tools in service of the proletariat - just the occasional dunk post and an endless stream of the same snide remarks from the usuals.
The hexbear party line toward LLMs and similar technologies is straight up reactionary. If we don’t look for ways to utilize, subvert and counter these technologies while they’re still in their infancy then these dorks are going to be the only ones who know how to use them. And if we don’t interact with the underlying philosophical questions concerning sentience and consciousness, those same dorks will also have control of the narrative.
Are we just content to hand over a new means of production and information warfare to the technophile neo-feudalists of Silicon Valley with zero resistance? Yes, apparently, and it is so much more disappointing than seeing the target demographic of a marketing stunt buy into that marketing stunt.
As it stands, the capitalists already have the old means of information warfare – this tech represents an acceleration of existing trends, not the creation of something new. What do you want from this, exactly? Large language models that do a predictive text – but with filters installed by communists, rather than the PR arm of a company? That won’t be nearly as convincing as just talking and organizing with people in real life.
Besides, if it turns out there really is a transformational threat, that it represents some weird new means of production, it’s still just a programme on a server. Computers are very, very fragile. I’m just not too worried about it.
Definite what you mean by “curiosity.” Is it also a “lack of curiosity” for people to dunk on and heckle NFT peddlers instead of entertaining their proposals?
Even at its extremes that I don’t agree with myself, I disagree here. No, it is not just as frustrating.
Then bring some. Don’t just say Hexbears suck because they’re not “curious” enough about the treat printers.
And hating on leftists in favor of your unspecified “curiosity” position is what exactly by comparison?
What does your “curiosity” propose that is actual resistance and not playing into their hands or even buying into the marketing hype?
I actually told my wife “watch this, I’m going to get a smug reply from UlyssesT,” so thank you for not disappointing.
Good job, you recognize cause and effect
I want to hijack this opportunity to ask about pigeons. Are they soft and fluffy?
Yes
Give me ur pigeon
You made a smug post. Smug in, smug out.
Kind of weird to make me that important to you in your personal life, too.
Yeah, sharing what’s happening on my phone with my wife is weird.
I don’t tell people IRL about my arguments online because I know that shit’s boring to anyone except me
Oh my god it’s this post again.
No, LLMs are not “AI”. No, mocking these people is not “reactionary”. No, cloaking your personal stance on leftist language doesn’t make it any more correct. No, they are not on the verge of developing superhuman AI.
Have you read like, anything at all in this thread? There is no way you can possibly say no one here is “interacting with the underlying philosophical questions” in good faith. There’s plenty of discussion, you just disagree with it.
What the fuck are you talking about? We’re “handing it over to them” because we don’t take their word at face value? Like nobody here has been extremely opposed to the usage of “AI” to undermine working class power? This is bad faith bullshit and you know it.
I see it as low-key crybully shit to come here, dunk on Hexbears and call them names for not being “curious” enough about LLMs, and act like some disadvantaged aggrieved party while also standing closer to the billionaires’ current position than anywhere near those they’re raging at here.
It’s a glorified speak-n-spell, not a one benefit to the working class. A constant, unrelenting push for a democratization of education will do infinitely more for the working class than learning how best to have a machine write a story. Should this be worked on and researched? absolutely. Should it not be allowed out of the confines of people who understand thoroughly what it is and what it can and cannot do? yes. We shouldn’t be using this for the same reason you don’t use a gag dictionary for a research project. Grow up
It has potential for making propaganda. Automated astroturfing more sophisticated than what we currently see being done on Reddit.
astroturfing only works when your views tie into the mainstream narrative. Besides, there’s no competing with the people who have access to the best computers, most coders, and have backdoors and access to every platform. Smarter move is to back up the workers who are having their jobs threatened over this.