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    Wind turbines are remarkable as wind power though, and the fossil fuel industry exaggerates the still unfortunate number of birds killed by them.

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        China is a big advocate of wind power.

        Relying on any one method though is stupid, a combination is needed.

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        I guess China is installing so many wind turbines because they’re filthy capitalists, right?

        What “fossil fuel” interests does China have to be the leader in installing wind turbines?

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          What kind of argument is that? lmao. The US is also installing wind turbines, they are based communists!

          I could be wrong about fossil fuel industry supporting wind turbines, but you can’t make the argument that just because China does something that means that thing is automatically good.

          The WEF is all gung-ho for wind power: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/05/greenertower-greener-steel-wind-power/

          I guess the WEF is a bunch of communists and we should do everything they say.

          Wind turbines are dumb and worse than nuclear power, I don’t care if Lenin himself rises from the dead and says wind power is the most communist thing ever.

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            China has triple the total wind power that the US does. The US added 18 GW of total capacity last year, and China added 72 GW.

            Womp womp. Guess China is acquiescing to the whims of capital by making wind it’s third most plentiful source of energy generation.

            What kind of argument is that? The WEF says some random piece of technology is good so it’s automatically evil? Really?

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              China has triple the total wind power that the US does. The US added 18 GW of total capacity last year, and China added 72 GW.

              Oh, I see, the more wind turbines a country has the more communist it is.

              What kind of argument is that? The WEF says some random piece of technology is good so it’s automatically evil? Really?

              It’s exactly the same as your argument, I just flipped it to show you how weak it is. I’m glad we agree.

              In China, the largest wind turbine producer, Goldwind, is only 40% state-owned. In all countries wind power is a capitalist enterprise, whereas most nuclear power plants are publicly/state-owned and controlled.

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                Flipping an argument only works if the argument is rational, makes sense or helps illustrate a point. You’re screeching about the World Economic Forum.

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                  Did you miss the part where the wind enterprises in China are mostly privately owned? In fact, every wind enterprise around the world is privately owned, while nuclear power plants by their very nature have to be publicly owned or at least under state-control. That’s why most, if not all, nuclear power plants operate as a loss; which is also why you don’t see companies advocating for them as much as they are for wind and solar.

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                    Does something that’s privately owned automatically make it a bad thing? It’s way better for the environment than any fossil fuel-based method of energy generation, China is a big advocate of it, it fits into their long-term economic plans and vision, the technology/knowledge/blueprints can easily be exported, and the CPC as a leash on anything and everything private. And not only does the CPC nominally have control over even private enterprises through various methods, it’s willing to crack down if and when necessary.

                    You are practically fearmongering.

                    You’re also ignoring that despite having “only” a 40 percent stake in Goldwind, that is still likely a controlling/majority individual stake.