So this was percolating in my brain for awhile, these dense people have a hard time understanding the law but it’s very easy to explain even if they magically are a sovereign citizen which means they don’t have to do all the regular things humans do in a society.
If you are driving on publicly funded roads that you didn’t contribute to with taxes and did not licence your vehicle to drive on, you are just trespassing. Your options are: pay the fee/fine for trespassing, and then stay off the roads you don’t own, or buy the “ticket” (pay your taxes and ensure your vehicle is licenced.).
What’s the response to that? Like I know they think a lot of weird and crazy stuff, but I get why they don’t understand some of it, bevause it is complicated and based on law and generations of social contracts. This isn’t that. This is “you can’t trespass, no matter how sovereign you are.”
I was thinking that further and they would say “well foreign visitors can drive on our road and don’t pay taxes”, to which my thought is “yes, but we have bilateral agreements for certain countries which convey certain privileges, please show us your agreement or visa to be in this country”
Right - those visitors either have a passport and were granted permission to enter for a set period of time, or they too would be picked up and deported back to their country.
There’s a lot of rabbit holes that I can see people with poor reasoning/logic getting stuck down, but this one seems pretty easy to explain…
The do pay taxes. The rental vehicle they use is registered and taxed. Most regions have a tax on the rental fees as well. The gas they use has taxes included.
I ‘get’ the “oh you are flying the wrong flag so you aren’t the boss of me” desperate misinterpretations of semi-related laws. It’s stupid, but it takes time to explain and honestly it takes a fair amount of trust in a system that usually is working against them (because they are deadbeat parents or idiots who don’t want to pay taxes).
The driving thing is so straight forward you could explain it to a 6 year old.
“something something right to travel” ignoring the fact that if they aren’t under the law then they also aren’t granted the rights provided by the law.
I assume they’re travelling on “private” roads and not trespassing on state property. Or they’re an idiot.
Definitely the second one.
So this was percolating in my brain for awhile, these dense people have a hard time understanding the law but it’s very easy to explain even if they magically are a sovereign citizen which means they don’t have to do all the regular things humans do in a society.
If you are driving on publicly funded roads that you didn’t contribute to with taxes and did not licence your vehicle to drive on, you are just trespassing. Your options are: pay the fee/fine for trespassing, and then stay off the roads you don’t own, or buy the “ticket” (pay your taxes and ensure your vehicle is licenced.).
What’s the response to that? Like I know they think a lot of weird and crazy stuff, but I get why they don’t understand some of it, bevause it is complicated and based on law and generations of social contracts. This isn’t that. This is “you can’t trespass, no matter how sovereign you are.”
I was thinking that further and they would say “well foreign visitors can drive on our road and don’t pay taxes”, to which my thought is “yes, but we have bilateral agreements for certain countries which convey certain privileges, please show us your agreement or visa to be in this country”
Right - those visitors either have a passport and were granted permission to enter for a set period of time, or they too would be picked up and deported back to their country.
There’s a lot of rabbit holes that I can see people with poor reasoning/logic getting stuck down, but this one seems pretty easy to explain…
The do pay taxes. The rental vehicle they use is registered and taxed. Most regions have a tax on the rental fees as well. The gas they use has taxes included.
Even more straight forward and valid points.
I ‘get’ the “oh you are flying the wrong flag so you aren’t the boss of me” desperate misinterpretations of semi-related laws. It’s stupid, but it takes time to explain and honestly it takes a fair amount of trust in a system that usually is working against them (because they are deadbeat parents or idiots who don’t want to pay taxes).
The driving thing is so straight forward you could explain it to a 6 year old.
“something something right to travel” ignoring the fact that if they aren’t under the law then they also aren’t granted the rights provided by the law.