The only thing I like about Trump is exactly what so many empire managers hate about him: he gives the game away. He says the quiet parts out loud. He’s the only president who’ll openly boast that US troops are in Syria taking the oil or lament that they failed to take the oil from Venezuela, or just come right out and tell everyone he’s bought and owned by Zionist oligarchs.

Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire. Trump puts a very ugly face on a very ugly thing. He is a much more honest face to have on the empire. A crude, stupid plutocrat who is owned by other plutocrats is the perfect representative of that tyrannical power structure.

  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    5 days ago

    No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it.

    That statement isn’t backed by any data.

    “On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones (“Areas Outside of Active Hostilities”), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report.[27][28] However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be “areas of active hostilities,” thus exempting them from disclosure.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12

    https://www.ranker.com/list/the-twelve-worst-us-presidents-based-on-body-counts/dralcarroll

    https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    Obama made it public. Bush and Trump hid it.

    • Seasm0ke@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      5 days ago

      Obama also classified all ‘military aged’ males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.

      Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.

      We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.

      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
        cake
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 days ago

        I didn’t claim Obama didn’t kill anyone. I do claim, supported by links, that he killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Trump.

        You claimed he was worse than Bush which is not supported by any data.

        • Seasm0ke@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          I see, my claim was actually that he deported more than bush and trump. Not killed more people in war. Not that he was worse than bush, just not different. Obama turned out to be more of the same evil empire.

          I did also claim that instead of ending the wars in the middle east via the NATO overthrow of Libya and Syria, and that the drone casualities are under reported.

            • Seasm0ke@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 days ago

              The one cool thing about digital communication is you can just scroll up and reread the original lol

              • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
                cake
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                3 days ago

                Can you not see what you wrote?

                You wrote a paragraph on anti war

                You wrote a paragraph on Libya

                You wrote a paragraph on deportation

                You wrote follow up replies about young boys classified as terrorists for kill reports.

                Now you claim you were only writing about deportation.

                ???

                  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
                    cake
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    3 days ago

                    He said this:

                    No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama.

                    Obama killed less Bush i provided links already

                    Then he said this:

                    The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.

                    He killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump. I already provided links.

                    Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump.

                    I didn’t argue that.

                    He was disingenuous to claim he was only talking about deportation only after his drone strike argument was proven to be wrong.