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    22 days ago

    Surprised this hasn’t happened sooner, and at the risk of sounding callous I hope it happens more.

    When all non-violent methods of bringing on systemic change fail, all you have left is violence. Perhaps if a few more CEOs got murdered they would think twice about eternal growth at any expense.

    How many people have died or suffered as a result of UH’s strive for bigger profits.

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      22 days ago

      It can’t just be CEO’s. While CEOs are certainly “no-angels” they are the public face of late-stage capitalism. Board Members and “share holders” who often don’t even have their name publicly associated with any industry of misery are the ones profiting from the existing misery. You have to get them all.

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        22 days ago

        Absolutely not. Whether it was the reason behind it or not, this person and others like them earned such a fate. They are a menace to public health and they are consistently and knowingly complicit in many avoidable deaths and widespread suffering as a result of their actions. I am critical of this kind of action in the sense that I don’t think it’s a viable strategy for producing change and improving society, but I’m as critical of this assassination as I am of the many assassination attempts on Hitler.

        Shame on anyone who defends such anti-social humans.

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            22 days ago

            Why would wishing murder on oppressors make someone bad? This isn’t some regular person.

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              22 days ago

              A CEO of a company isn’t an oppressor. They’re a regular person.

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                22 days ago

                No, they’re not a regular person.

                Their decisions, as a Chief Executive Officer in a national healthcare company, have the power to ruin lives on a systematic level. Their abuse of their social role results in adverse health outcomes, financial debt, poverty and resulting starvation of families on a scale of millions. And they have willingly and knowingly done this for the sake of profit, for greed. Whether what they do is legal or not is completely irrelevant in the real world, whether they are directly violent or legally coercive doesn’t change the reality, the bottom line is their actions have the same kind of health and financial effects as a violent thug robbing innocent victims, except on a scale of millions. That is systematic oppression.

                Can you do that to people? Not even a disgusting school shooter does as much damage as this CEO does each month. They are not a regular person. They mass murder people, indirectly and legally.

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                21 days ago

                WTF do you mean they lead a company, the company earns profits by exploiting workers. Not only this but this is a healthcare company, and so they also make money by refusing needed health coverate and nickle and diming coverage causing people to either go without the care they need to live, or go into debt, either way deaths are on his hands

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    22 days ago

    As cathartic as it may be, assassinating CEOs will do nothing but embiggen the police state.

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      22 days ago

      Absolutely, random violence isn’t going to lead to any sort of systemic change, and it will be used as an excuse to implement fascist policies at an accelerated rate.

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        22 days ago

        Will it? Black people also spontaneously got rights after assassinating the police. Elites never compromise unless they have something to fear.

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          22 days ago

          It’s true, but as Lenin points out, what matters is building power in systemic fashion. Random acts of violence on their own aren’t going to change the system. In my opinion, “Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder is an absolute must read because it addresses the question of how to build power effectively, as well as what methods to use and when https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

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            22 days ago

            MLK popularized the movement but achieved little. Subsequently Malcolm X put forward the same demands in a less friendly tone. The were both necessasary

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              22 days ago

              Yes. My point is not that violence is counterproductive, it’s that random, atomized violence is.

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                22 days ago

                Organized violence with modern surveillance techniques is virtually impossible. Do you think if enough lone wolves start feeling like CEO’s are not great people that would have effect, or do you think it would require a fully underground organized group?

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                  Organized violence with modern surveillance techniques is virtually impossible.

                  No it isn’t. Why would it be? Organized violence happens every day.

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                  22 days ago

                  I already told you what the effect would be: acceleration toward an even more naked fascism.

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        22 days ago

        Random acts of violence never improve things, targeted acts of violence absolutely act as catalysts for change, including on the systemic level. Whether that change is an improvement or not, depends on how much parallel power an organization has.