They could be in 4th grade in 2010, and be 25 now posting this. I could also believe that elementary school teachers could be among the first 5% of people to adopt a new super-inclusive type of brand new lefty language that’s just starting to be used for a new type of friendly inclusiveness in 2000.
elementary school teachers could be among the first 5% of people to adopt a new super-inclusive type of brand new lefty language
Elementary school teachers are also more likely to crack down on any sort of insulting language in general. I remember when I was a kid in the 4th grade, our teacher would punish us for asking, “So?” So was short for ‘So what?’ At the time it was (sometimes properly, give me a break, Mrs. H) a way to insultingly say that someone else’s statement was meaningless.
It wasn’t because it was ableist, or anything else you could point a finger to except insulting, and teachers head that sort of interaction off early.
I’m about 10 years older and have never heard the term in person, only in lefty online communities like Lemmy. I even took an ASL class from a deaf person (highly recommend, though maybe my teacher just rocked) as an adult with my SO, and we didn’t even use the term “ablism,” but instead just “hearing” to describe people who aren’t deaf (so the concept, not the term). That would’ve been mid to late 2010s, IIRC.
Couple that with the claimed suspension in 4th grade, and I have serious doubts any of this happened. To get suspended, you need to be starting fist fights or something, even cussing or intentionally insulting people would probably only land normal detention.
So as someone hard of hearing, please don’t get your understanding of disabled Americans from the deaf, we’re opinionated in ways that folks like the blind and mobility assisted don’t really see and can’t really go along with. We are however starting to talk about audism but you aren’t really going to see talk of audism in an asl class. Maybe the term will be used in the context of mainstreaming.
But yeah this is veering into cultural correctness vs political correctness.
And yeah, the thing that surprised me by dipping my toes in the water was how vibrant the deaf community is. It’s an entire subculture that most won’t get to experience. I think it’s awesome.
Yeah its awesome and I love it in my own way. It definitely has issues, notably for a long time it was particularly hostile to hard of hearing people who don’t sign, but that’s been changing over the past few decades as both groups have been working to heal that divide. And I think that’s in part thanks to increasing discussions of ableism and audism as well as the social model of disability bridging the gap between the deaf understanding of “we aren’t disabled, we live fine” and the hard of hearing understanding of “we are absolutely disabled look at how hard we have to struggle in this society.”
And stuff like that, and audism and ablism aren’t really the things you’re going to be taught in an asl class for the same reasons they aren’t going to teach you much about American intervention in south America in a Spanish class. The goal is to get you in a place that you can communicate with native speakers/signers and have enough appreciation of the culture to both want to and to not make an ass of yourself.
And so on that I should say these terms gave me voice to my struggles. The deaf community taught me that the fact that my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents all were told by experts not to teach their hard of hearing child sign language (because we might prefer it and not bother learning English) was a form of systemic oppression. As is the fact that this language which is just generally useful to most people in some contexts, especially as most people will lose their hearing just isn’t bothered to be taught to most people.
The politically correct people are trying even when they miss the mark. When you get to the point of the part of the left that’s long been in discussion of ablism I actually think that’s where you get radical shit, like big queer events often have 'terps, and I’ve even been to a festival that had a deaf section to the camping area.
told by experts not to teach their hard of hearing child sign language
That’s incredibly dumb. In fact, I think everyone in the US should learn basic ASL, enough to understand basic grammar and ask how to sign an unfamiliar word. Just doing that should give people an appreciation for what it means to be differently abled.
My ASL teacher was incredibly good at lip reading, yet insisted we try signing esp when frustrated (we’d say it out loud as well so she could understand us). That’s how it should be taught. I gained a lot of appreciation for accessibility from that class because I was forced onto the other side of that issue for a few weeks.
The politically correct people are trying even when they miss the mark.
I hate to generalize, but I think many if not most are doing it for the wrong reasons, which is why they miss the mark. Just like the far right attacks minorities for their own gain (common enemy), the left “rescues” the minorities for their own gain. It’s less about actually helping people and instead being seen helping people.
It’s stupid. If they actually wanted to solve problems, they’d talk to the communities instead of just throwing out solutions to perceived problems so they look good to the majority.
I’m sure there are a lot of genuine people among the PC camp and they’re just getting bad information from influencers. My frustration lies with the bad information, not the rank and file.
Hm.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ableist&year_start=1990&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3
They could be in 4th grade in 2010, and be 25 now posting this. I could also believe that elementary school teachers could be among the first 5% of people to adopt a new super-inclusive type of brand new lefty language that’s just starting to be used for a new type of friendly inclusiveness in 2000.
Elementary school teachers are also more likely to crack down on any sort of insulting language in general. I remember when I was a kid in the 4th grade, our teacher would punish us for asking, “So?” So was short for ‘So what?’ At the time it was (sometimes properly, give me a break, Mrs. H) a way to insultingly say that someone else’s statement was meaningless.
It wasn’t because it was ableist, or anything else you could point a finger to except insulting, and teachers head that sort of interaction off early.
Makes sense.
I’m about 10 years older and have never heard the term in person, only in lefty online communities like Lemmy. I even took an ASL class from a deaf person (highly recommend, though maybe my teacher just rocked) as an adult with my SO, and we didn’t even use the term “ablism,” but instead just “hearing” to describe people who aren’t deaf (so the concept, not the term). That would’ve been mid to late 2010s, IIRC.
Couple that with the claimed suspension in 4th grade, and I have serious doubts any of this happened. To get suspended, you need to be starting fist fights or something, even cussing or intentionally insulting people would probably only land normal detention.
So as someone hard of hearing, please don’t get your understanding of disabled Americans from the deaf, we’re opinionated in ways that folks like the blind and mobility assisted don’t really see and can’t really go along with. We are however starting to talk about audism but you aren’t really going to see talk of audism in an asl class. Maybe the term will be used in the context of mainstreaming.
But yeah this is veering into cultural correctness vs political correctness.
I see what you did there. sorry
And yeah, the thing that surprised me by dipping my toes in the water was how vibrant the deaf community is. It’s an entire subculture that most won’t get to experience. I think it’s awesome.
Yeah its awesome and I love it in my own way. It definitely has issues, notably for a long time it was particularly hostile to hard of hearing people who don’t sign, but that’s been changing over the past few decades as both groups have been working to heal that divide. And I think that’s in part thanks to increasing discussions of ableism and audism as well as the social model of disability bridging the gap between the deaf understanding of “we aren’t disabled, we live fine” and the hard of hearing understanding of “we are absolutely disabled look at how hard we have to struggle in this society.”
And stuff like that, and audism and ablism aren’t really the things you’re going to be taught in an asl class for the same reasons they aren’t going to teach you much about American intervention in south America in a Spanish class. The goal is to get you in a place that you can communicate with native speakers/signers and have enough appreciation of the culture to both want to and to not make an ass of yourself.
And so on that I should say these terms gave me voice to my struggles. The deaf community taught me that the fact that my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents all were told by experts not to teach their hard of hearing child sign language (because we might prefer it and not bother learning English) was a form of systemic oppression. As is the fact that this language which is just generally useful to most people in some contexts, especially as most people will lose their hearing just isn’t bothered to be taught to most people.
The politically correct people are trying even when they miss the mark. When you get to the point of the part of the left that’s long been in discussion of ablism I actually think that’s where you get radical shit, like big queer events often have 'terps, and I’ve even been to a festival that had a deaf section to the camping area.
Idk this turned into a rant, sorry
That’s incredibly dumb. In fact, I think everyone in the US should learn basic ASL, enough to understand basic grammar and ask how to sign an unfamiliar word. Just doing that should give people an appreciation for what it means to be differently abled.
My ASL teacher was incredibly good at lip reading, yet insisted we try signing esp when frustrated (we’d say it out loud as well so she could understand us). That’s how it should be taught. I gained a lot of appreciation for accessibility from that class because I was forced onto the other side of that issue for a few weeks.
I hate to generalize, but I think many if not most are doing it for the wrong reasons, which is why they miss the mark. Just like the far right attacks minorities for their own gain (common enemy), the left “rescues” the minorities for their own gain. It’s less about actually helping people and instead being seen helping people.
It’s stupid. If they actually wanted to solve problems, they’d talk to the communities instead of just throwing out solutions to perceived problems so they look good to the majority.
I’m sure there are a lot of genuine people among the PC camp and they’re just getting bad information from influencers. My frustration lies with the bad information, not the rank and file.
Interesting!