• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    3 hours ago

    Historically speaking, the Nazis literally first built the camps to put Marxists in.

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      1 hour ago

      ah yes, the holocaust was checks notes started to persecute commies

      mods, can we get a ban for him being a right-wing nutjob?

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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        First they came for the Communists

        And I did not speak out

        Because I was not a Communist

        Then they came for the Socialists

        And I did not speak out

        Because I was not a Socialist

        Then they came for the trade unionists

        And I did not speak out

        Because I was not a trade unionist

        Then they came for the Jews

        And I did not speak out

        Because I was not a Jew

        Then they came for me

        And there was no one left

        To speak out for me

        The Holocaust started with elimination of political opponents, namely the communists.

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        Nazi Germany persecuted a wide variety of people. While the Holocaust specifically refers to the atrocities committed against the Jews, there were up to 5 million more Slavs, Roma, LGBT, disabled, communists, and political disadents of any kind who were killed.

        Particularly leading up to the Nazis sizing power, much of their initial rhetoric was absolutely targeted at Jews, but much of their initial action was targeted at communists, since they were political rivals.

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        Yes, in fact.

        The concentration camp system arose in the following months due to the desire to suppress tens of thousands of Nazi opponents in Germany. The Reichstag fire in February 1933 was the pretext for mass arrests; the Reichstag Fire Decree eliminated the right to personal freedom enshrined in the Weimar Constitution.

        Eighty percent of prisoners were Communists and ten percent Social Democrats; the remaining ten percent were affiliated with a different party, were trade union activists, or had no connection to a political party.

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              Which history? I’m actually curious, I need to know what Kremlin approved literature I should be reading to get the “real” history.

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                I already linked you Wikipedia, but I guess that’s controlled by the Kremlin. How about the Holocaust Encyclopedia, is that controlled by the Kremlin too?

                As soon as the Nazis rose to power, they began targeting communists, both inside and outside Germany. In 1933, the first concentration camp opened at Dachau to hold political prisoners. The first prisoners were all communists.

                You are objectively wrong about this and if you ask literally any historian, regardless of their political views, they will tell you so. I can hunt down more sources for you if you like, but I have a feeling you’ve dug in your heels enough that it literally doesn’t matter who or what I cite.

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                  Go for it, in fact, could you spend a few hours putting together a list of sources? I want to be extra informed.

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                    So you have zero response to Holocaust Encyclopedia telling you you’re dead wrong? You’re just going to completely refuse to acknowledge it, huh?

                    Thought so.

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                Is Wikipedia “Kremlin approved literature”?

                The first camps were established in March 1933 immediately after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany. Following the 1934 purge of the SA, the concentration camps were run exclusively by the SS via the Concentration Camps Inspectorate and later the SS Main Economic and Administrative Office. Initially, most prisoners were members of the Communist Party of Germany, but as time went on different groups were arrested, including “habitual criminals”, “asocials”, and Jews.

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                  I didn’t ask who was put in the camps first, I asked him who the real victims of WW2 were. The soviets made the decision to cut up Europe and work with the Nazis. They only stopped when the Nazis turned on them. I don’t care about any bullshit excuses about how it was the “best option”, or whatever tankie collaborator line is popular these days. They did it because it benefited them and they were greedy for power and control. It’s lucky for the rest of the world that authoritarians don’t like sharing power, or the war would have ended a lot differently.

                  You collaborate with Nazis, you deserve the wall. The soviets weren’t victims, and they got what they deserved. Every single one of those 27 million.