- cross-posted to:
- news@hexbear.net
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- news@hexbear.net
- politics@lemmy.world
U.S. President Donald Trump will pause new tariffs on Mexico for one month after Mexico agreed to reinforce its northern border with 10,000 National Guard members to stem the flow of illegal drugs, particularly fentanyl, he said on Monday on social media.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said the agreement also includes a U.S. commitment to act to prevent trafficking of high-powered weapons to Mexico. The two leaders spoke by phone on Monday, just hours before U.S. tariffs on Mexico, China and Canada were set to take effect.
The two counties will use the month-long pause to engage in further negotiations, Trump said.
I don’t see how this is a loss for trump. He got Mexico to do something he presumably wanted.
He didn’t get what he wanted at all. He tried to look tough, the world pointed out he was shooting himself in the foot, then he backed down like a bitch.
If you think all he wanted was some national guard troops patrolling the border and that’s all this was about, I don’t know what to tell you.
Delaying something as big as tariffs by a month is not some kind of epic loss.
He got Mexico to the table and Mexican troops to maybe stop some smuggling. This is how Trump negotiates he does ridiculous things that hopefully force responses.
He said there was no concession either Mexico or Canada could make that would stop these tariffs.
Tariffs are “paused” now. I guess Little t folded.
And what do you think he wants from Canada? As far as I can tell he just doesn’t like Trudeau
No idea, I’m not even sure Trump knows what he wants. It seems like a fishing expedition to me. Throw out some wild tarrifs and see what happens.
Do you think that is a good way to run the most powerful nation on Earth?
No, but it’s what’s happening.
He got Mexico to maybe to something and you call that a successful negotiation?
This is all a matter of perspective. Did he achieve anything meaningful? Of course not. Did he get Mexico to respond to an action that he did? Yes. Can he use the response (doesn’t matter what it is) to say his action is working? Yes. Again he doesn’t care about the response, Trump cares about optics.
Do the same thing with Canada. Trump impressed an action (the tariffs) that caused a response (Canada to implement their own tariffs). Can we apply the same logic to the opposite response? Did Canada do something(again doesn’t matter what) to an action trump did? Yes they did. Trump can now spin it and say look it’s working.
Of course, it’s working at doing something. Eroding our relationships with our neighbors. But he can spin it to his base anyway he wants because he can claim they did “it” (again the it is just the response, doesn’t matter what response) because of an action he took (imposed the tariffs).
His base is only looking at what Trump says not what was done. So if Trump claims it was successful, they believe it.
Sorry… as long as nations don’t ignore him, it’s a win? Is that really what you’re saying?
No, I guess I should have explored that option as well. The lack of response is still a response. So Trump can still claim to his base" see it’s working" and claim it as a win.
I know it’s difficult to imagine that in stakes so large, countries economies (hell the world economy) can be manipulated in such a way that no matter what factually and verifiability happens, it can be spun in a way to say it’s a win and there’s a group of people that take it at its face and says “yay! Keep going!”
Other countries are in a damned if you, damned if you don’t situation. As are the rest of the United States citizens that don’t support these actions (or can’t see them because they are believing the president of the US when he says “we’re winning”). The only thing we can do at this point is try to wake up trump supporters and hope that is done in time to affect change.
If not, we are at the mercy of whatever he does. Complaining about it and pointing out how obvious it is, does nothing. Go talk to some people that support him. Families that voted him in and have illegal immigrants in their family are getting a hard dose of that wake up call in their own. But until we get so many people that can’t be ignored, nothing will happen. It will become similar to Russia where the state controls the media and everything is a “win”, even invading acountry that did nothing to provoke invasion.
Mexico has essentially agreed to pay tribute, now it’s a matter of finding out the price. Yes I call that a Trump win. Produce keeps coming in and he gets to take credit for whatever Mexico agrees to.
Paid tribute? What are you even talking about?
When was Mexico refusing to be at the table? There is an open relationship and trade agreements in place already… if Trump wanted to talk to Mexico about anything he could have done so with zero barriers
In the meantime, you can rest assured that to “bring Mexico” to the imaginary table they were not in, he torpedoed 100% of trust anyone in the world could possibly have about any contract or agreement with the USA
This isn’t a normal rational thing. This is Trump using schoolyard bully tactics. Mexico went the appeasement route. Trump doesn’t care about anyone respecting the US, he cares what he can get them to do for him.
Yes, I know how kids act… the point is that he is cutting the USA’s nose to spite its face… so not sure how is that any “win” for the USA…
Businesses like predictability. Even if something is going to be expensive in the future, businesses are okay with that as long as they know its coming and can plan/make changes. What trump did was the exact opposite. He introduce uncertain and has lost trust with the largest businesses in the world.
Some of his biggest supporters and enablers and big business. He just dropped his pants and took a shit in their backyard with this.
No business is ok with arbitrarily paying more, even if it is predictable. That’s why they built factories in Mexico in the first place, because it was cheaper. Businesses also aren’t a monolith in their preferences, Amazon would happily take 4 years of chaos if it forces many competitors out of business. Similarly musk/Tesla isn’t ready to compete with other car companies (US, EU, or China) actually trying to make EVs, more chaos on his competition is great for him.
You stopped reading mid sentence apparently. The rest of my sentence in my post was “businesses are okay with that as long as they know its coming and can plan/make changes.” Those changes could be moving manufacturing, scaling different product lines, finding substitutions for what those forecasted more-expensive inputs are, etc. The factories in Mexico a response to a predictable rising labor market in the USA. So yes, manufacturers were okay with paying higher costs in the USA temporarily while the Mexican factories were set up or expanded.
True, but they largely follow the same trends. Outliers are outliers by definition.
If its a sure thing, probably, but with Musk as President Amazon is just as likely to be hurt by the next 4 years. Musk is no fan of Bezos and Musk has a history of taking personal grudges into business dealings. (see Musk suing his own twitter advertising customers)
Musk has poisoned the previous good name of Tesla among its customers. Tesla opponents weren’t buying Tesla before, and now former Tesla proponents aren’t either. He’s pissing off the countries governments where he is trying to make inroads, and now handling the reigns of government pissing off future possible customers. There is nothing Musk is doing right now that is helping Tesla. He is only hurting them.
What the fuck is your point? Who are you claiming he’s sucking off?
Did you read the rest of Ryathal’s comments? Trump’s playing and winning 5D chess again, according to this dingus.
And what’s your point leaping into action like this?
No, he said Trump is succeeding in getting a reaction that he can use to rile up his stupid followers, not because actually he won 5d chess, but because his followers don’t live in reality and imagines him winning 5D chess. What part of that simple explanation are you stupid enough to misunderstand as him sucking off Trump?
And what’s my point? How about my point is not attacking the messenger simply for delivering a message that you don’t like or agree with? Simply saying that Trump can use this to his advantage because his supporters are stupid is not the same as saying Trump is playing 5D chess.
Stop making things worse by bringing the fight to non-Trump supporters. Don’t you guys have enough problems already? Go do something about Trump’s fascist actions instead of doing stupid stuff like this.