Nato at odds with Ukraine over Soviet-style tactics
www.telegraph.co.uk
British defence sources have accused Zelensky’s troops of wasting expensive weapons and equipment

Turns out that cheap and reliable weapons that Russia is able to pump out in mass quantities work a lot better than fancy artisanally produced NATO weapons.

https://archive.ph/jW2xn

  • WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    21·
    6 days ago

    This is my favourite part of the article. Western logic distilled.

    “The Russian army probably has more Javelins than the British Army now,” a British source said, adding that although he and his colleagues supported Ukraine’s fight against Russia, the effort to support Kyiv “was built around lies”.

    But I’ve read a few articles about how NATO tactics just don’t work. It’s hilarious to me that after 3 years, they are still insisting that their methods are the best, even though Russia has proven very effective at dealing with western materiel. The sheer arrogance, even though they haven’t fought against a peer in well over half a century, much less won a major war.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
      19·
      6 days ago

      I’d argue the fabled Ukrainian offensive of 2023 definitively proved that NATO tactics do not work. NATO meticulously planned the whole thing, and it results in utter debacle.

      • Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml
        15·
        6 days ago

        What I find really funny is that Russia built layers and layers of defence because they were really concerned about the offensive and nato’s ukrops didn’t even get to the first heavily defended line much less past it. The first half of the offensive everyone was sitting around saying “probing attacks” and then it slowly sunk in that that was as serious as things were going to get. There were probably some Russian generals losing their hair for months because every moment they were expecting the hammer to drop and it never did.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
          15·
          5 days ago

          It was absolutely incredible to watch, and couple that with the fact that NATO knew exactly what these defenses looked like, where they were, and had the opportunity to plan the attack on their terms. This has to be the single biggest humiliation in modern warfare history.

    • SkingradGuard@lemmygrad.ml
      18·
      6 days ago

      It’s hilarious to me that after 3 years, they are still insisting that their methods are the best, even though Russia has proven very effective at dealing with western materiel.

      We see this across the imperialist nations, the arrogance coupled with the ruling class being true believers in their own lies that they feed to the working masses. It’s astonishing.

    • REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
      9·
      5 days ago

      NATO never fought a peer or near peer enemy. The US last did in Vietnam (which is a bit of a stretch, Vietnam could not meaningfully challenge US air superiority over the south), without a stretch the last time would be WW2. Over 80 years ago.

      • WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        5·
        5 days ago

        I was largely referring to WW2, but leaving it open to Korea and Vietnam, as they are both arguable (but I agree it’s a stretch).