the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he’s said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said “hey, let’s adjust this language” he was like “let’s not get political”
the ladybird dev wants to work with people who want me dead. so. yeah, fuck him. mozilla ain’t great, but they’re the least dangerous engine builders right now. servo would be a better engine for us to rally around, but everyone would rather talk about the less mature, more fascist accepting, project.
nazis are bad. that’s the hill i’m willing to die on. this is bigger than a browser engine.
the whole entire conversation about pronouns was exactly a conversation about this. the request to change to more inclusive pronouns was a request that he make the project more inclusive to people like us, the queer community, who have been getting pushed out of open source ever since brandon eich was named ceo of mozilla. andreas kling’s response was that we were being too sensitive and he didn’t want to scare of contributors by getting too political. the problem is that in saying that, he’s saying he finds one set of contributions and politics acceptable, and another set not.
the same goes for his responses to people asking him to leave twitter. he says he would rather stay on twitter because mastodon is too political. and there it is again. twitter, at the time of the conversation, was already becoming a nazi cesspool that people were leaving en masse, but because his tweets got more engagement there than on mastodon, he stuck with twitter.
i’ll gather some links for you after work, but i’m just… a little surprised you were familiar enough with the situation to know it happened and not familiar enough to know the context for why it mattered
The impression that I got from Andreas was that he just didn’t want the repo being flooded by politics because it ultimately is cruft in that doesn’t advance the project technically.
He obviously didn’t foresee the harm it would cause to the project by controversy and boycotts, how do you think he would’ve acted if he had?
I think we’re all generally left leaning as people on fedi and tend to get in our echo chambers and think that we’re closer to the global centre of political spectrums than we actually are, but I think it’s important to understand where the majority of people stand so we don’t get out of touch.
You have to remember that over half the voters of the US election voted for Trump. It is true that they’re American, but I think we should be trying to understand why they did so rather than screaming at their face every time they deviate from our views of the ideal.
Also, can we stop disparaging the opposition with names? From my point of view the left seemingly calling every Republican a “Nazi” sounds just as stupid as the right calling everyone on the left “woke”, and I think this applies to anyone outside this bubble of politics. My belief is that we should be organically introducing that meaning to the name “republican”, rather than diluting a historical term.
The developer literally said he’s not opposed to gender-neutral language, he just didn’t want to accept a random non-technical contribution by somenoe who had never interacted with the project before.
i think he’s referring to mozilla accepting money from google to let google be the default search engine for over 20 years, which 5 years into that deal, google started using any search made through not chrome to pipeline people to chrome
(until they get a new lead dev, Ladybird is definitely not any type of “Good”)
100%, this is either uninformed or some apologia
What’s going on? I’ve seen this new browser engine referenced recently a decent bit but I have no info beyond ‘it’s new and exists’.
the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he’s said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said “hey, let’s adjust this language” he was like “let’s not get political”
That’s unfortunate :(
Is this really the hill you want to die on and rather have a Chromium monopoly?
Yes, basic respect for people is far more important than any web browser
the ladybird dev wants to work with people who want me dead. so. yeah, fuck him. mozilla ain’t great, but they’re the least dangerous engine builders right now. servo would be a better engine for us to rally around, but everyone would rather talk about the less mature, more fascist accepting, project.
nazis are bad. that’s the hill i’m willing to die on. this is bigger than a browser engine.
What the fuck? Do you have a source for this?
the whole entire conversation about pronouns was exactly a conversation about this. the request to change to more inclusive pronouns was a request that he make the project more inclusive to people like us, the queer community, who have been getting pushed out of open source ever since brandon eich was named ceo of mozilla. andreas kling’s response was that we were being too sensitive and he didn’t want to scare of contributors by getting too political. the problem is that in saying that, he’s saying he finds one set of contributions and politics acceptable, and another set not.
the same goes for his responses to people asking him to leave twitter. he says he would rather stay on twitter because mastodon is too political. and there it is again. twitter, at the time of the conversation, was already becoming a nazi cesspool that people were leaving en masse, but because his tweets got more engagement there than on mastodon, he stuck with twitter.
i’ll gather some links for you after work, but i’m just… a little surprised you were familiar enough with the situation to know it happened and not familiar enough to know the context for why it mattered
The impression that I got from Andreas was that he just didn’t want the repo being flooded by politics because it ultimately is cruft in that doesn’t advance the project technically.
He obviously didn’t foresee the harm it would cause to the project by controversy and boycotts, how do you think he would’ve acted if he had?
I think we’re all generally left leaning as people on fedi and tend to get in our echo chambers and think that we’re closer to the global centre of political spectrums than we actually are, but I think it’s important to understand where the majority of people stand so we don’t get out of touch.
You have to remember that over half the voters of the US election voted for Trump. It is true that they’re American, but I think we should be trying to understand why they did so rather than screaming at their face every time they deviate from our views of the ideal.
Also, can we stop disparaging the opposition with names? From my point of view the left seemingly calling every Republican a “Nazi” sounds just as stupid as the right calling everyone on the left “woke”, and I think this applies to anyone outside this bubble of politics. My belief is that we should be organically introducing that meaning to the name “republican”, rather than diluting a historical term.
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Mozilla has existed for over 20 years and Chromium still has a monopoly.
Yes, and that’s precisely why we need Ladybird, no matter what pronouns it uses for users.
I prioritize basic human decency over browser engine monopolies, but to each their own.
The developer literally said he’s not opposed to gender-neutral language, he just didn’t want to accept a random non-technical contribution by somenoe who had never interacted with the project before.
I’d say that Chromium has a monopoly thanks to Mozilla.
Explain
i think he’s referring to mozilla accepting money from google to let google be the default search engine for over 20 years, which 5 years into that deal, google started using any search made through not chrome to pipeline people to chrome
No. Research for yourself or just blame Google and be happy.
(The engine itself is fine though)