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my assumption is that he wants a guy like that to assist in the operations of a new american run private cartel network, after they have ousted mexican cartels who cant be reasoned with to give up their profits to the US Oligarchs and private contract groups. they get a chance to install their own american run mexican cartel in mexico, and take over their drug trade for private funding operations. it would explain the 3000 troops they sent to the southern boarder, among other “official” reason.
this guy will help them with connecting with private sellers, to private clients, and logistics. im also assuming that this “new silk road” will be heavily monitored under the guise of decentralization and privacy, for use in things like blackmail, and coercion of users. or simply to attack other drug trade networks by undermining their image and pricing.
but what do i know? im just some guy in a bathtub.
This tracks given his posts the other day about “the US beginning the crypto capital of the world”
It’s all about to become some dark enlightenment bullshit
I love that out minister Joly flat out told CNN, and I’m paraphrasing, “if we are being honest America is a net exporter of immigrants and drugs to Canada. Don’t lie and say this is about drugs or immigrants it isn’t. It’s about destroying the Canadian economy so you can annex us for everything that makes us one of the most desired countries in the world to live.”
Seriously fuck America
America is also the number one consumer of drugs worldwide.
But I bet you won’t see any of that money flowing to help that side of the problem.
Just more boots to the door and guns in your faces while we take all your shit and auction it off while you’re locked up. Its sick.
Oh man, talk about a head fuck. Sending drugs/immigrants to Canada and guns/gangs to Mexico. We(usa) are rightly fucked as a society, over half of us probably feel a weird joy of being such a cluster fuck of a trailerpark neighbor. The shit we prop up, including narcissistic actions being praised, makes me glad that I’m seeing so many countries pushing back on importing more “American culture” and going by their own light.
I think the “seriously fuck america” is a little much and vague. Even if immigrants and drugs from Mexico were previously perceived wrongly (at least in amplitude and hysteria), I never thought “fuck Mexico”. I think people are kinda forgetting that even if the coaches have changed, this is still America’s playbook. They’re not going to play unless they make us pay. We’ve been targeting smaller countries and doing the same bullshit with a clean smile to the world for decades. Look at the ACA, now everyone HAS to have insurance (doesn’t help affordability, and sometimes costs more), and they’ve tacked on a yearly fine if you don’t comply while basically allowing the government to subsidize the insurance ceos.
We’re a publicly traded country now though instead of being privately cut-throat. Stock holders want their continued profits and they see bigger gains in bigger countries.
also, mexico’s cartel problem MAY have been started, or at least seriously ramped up, by the CIA-it’s exactly their SOP, and it got seriously bad like right after a teacher’s strike in oaxaca got juuuust a little too much popular support, started looking really communist.
Ross Ulbricht’s release was a deal with the Libertarians for their endorsement. Silk Road did not offer weapons and he did not hire a criminal to murder anyone. The FBI staged the whole thing. They forced his old roommate to pose as a murder victim. He later appoligized. A pretty messy affair and Ulbricht’s release is justified. Even though Trump only did it to gain Libertarian votes.
Bad, even really evil people do good stuff sometimes. That’s a part of life.
Fun facts!
85% of people arrested with fentanyl at the border as U.S. citizens.
The vast majority of people arrested here for trafficking children are U.S. citizens (and children are over 3x more likely to be trafficked by an acquaintance or relative than they are a random kidnapper).
“Illegal aliens” commit less crime than natural born U.S. citizens.
Violent immigrants, perverted trans people, and incompetent DEI hires are all moral panics. You hear so much about them because the Republican party has nothing to offer that will make your life safer or easier.
It’s also just missing the point entirely. The US is primarily responsible for ensuring that illegal substances do not cross its borders. The much, much more logical response by the US to this threat would be to increase searches of vehicles crossing the border. Obviously, we would still have to pretend that a drug as compact as fentanyl can in fact be stopped effectively, but in any case securing the border from the US’ side is not Canada’s responsibility.
Also the “tremendous amounts” of fentanyl coming in from Canada last year came to about 250 lbs.
i’m not sure if you meant the number to be interpreted literally, but isn’t 250lbs of fentanyl a lot. both psychonautwiki and substancesearch state that a “heavy” dose, which is where you start to seriously risk overdosing, (regardless of method of administration) is around 100ug. some quick back of the napkin math:
- 250 lbs ≈ 1.1*10^11 ug
- 1.1*10^11 ug/(100 ug/dose)=1.1 billion heavy doses
- 1.1 billion doses/365 days≈3 million, i.e. assuming you take a heavy dose every single day if the year (which, again, will likely kill you), 250 lbs would be able to supply 3 million people for a whole year
of course, this is assuming 100% purity, so these numbers probably change quite substantially if “fentanyl” is actually defined as “substance containing fentanyl”
of course none of this is with the goal of defending whatever the fuck trump is doing, i just wanted to put into perspective that 250 lbs can actually be quite a lot for super potent substances like fentanyl
Actually I was way off. It was 10 lbs seized at the Canadian border.
Shut the border down to all Americans until they can control their criminals. They arent sending their best.
They’ve made a business out of selling panic and fear to the masses. Betraying their own people for money. Never trust a conservative politician or business person.
Facts only matter to people who understand that facts are real and measurable things and not opinions and feelings.
I also want to point out that when whites are addicts, they go after the dealers. When blacks are addicted, they go after the users
Pardoning Ulbricht is the incredibly thin silver lining of Trump’s presidency. These drug war advocates talk like they really believe this problem can be solved with criminal justice, meanwhile they defund harm reduction education and make healthcare inaccessible. It’s diabolical.
Ulbricht was a sack of shit. He tried to hire several hitmen to kill agents investigating his stuff. He isn’t someone you want to get behind.
The war on drugs is not ethical and the very last people I will get behind are law enforcement. The case against Ulbricht was a tissue of lies and fabrication.
He tried to hire several
hitmenfederal agents to kill agents investigating his stuff.In Ross’ defense people should defend themselves from violent prohibitionists who lock encage, torture, and murder people.
Prohibitionists are the true sacks of shit. Endlessly profiting from drugs and violence.
…prohibiting the sale of child pornography, weapons, and drugs. But I see you’re neatly setting some of these aside.
Dude he hired FBI agents whom he thought were hitmen. If he knew they were Feds he would not have done it.
I believe in lifting prohibitions on drugs. But that doesn’t make people like Ross stand up guys. He is genuine sack of human shit.
‘criminal justice’ would be cool; we should try it sometime. closest I’ve seen was pinned on some italian dude in new york.
I had never heard of him or the Silk Road. I just looked it up and it seems like there was some benefit to creating a place where people could find drugs without the dangerous human encounters that can happen during these sales but it also said that the site was used to trade in illegal weapons, hacking tools and tutorials, hit men for hire and other unlawful goods and services. Doesn’t sound like much of a silver lining to me. More like an aluminum lining.
hit men for hire
There were no hitmen for hire on silk road.
Did you try?
All drugs should be legal and regulated.
Decriminalised use/possession, for sure.
But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.
Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol
People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.
I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.
Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.
I don’t really fully agree with the person you are responding too, but the level of aggression brought about from Meth use is significantly more potent and consistent compared to Alcohol, which is a little more variable depending on the person using it.
There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.
Alcohol certainly is ripe for abuse, also.
Drug criminalization pushes use into the shadows so that the most visible use is from those who are very loud and disruptive with it. I know you think you’re righteous with your “i don’t reckon i need to try to(sic) hard to argue” but you are operating on assumptions about substances borne of ignorance.
I’m not arguing for criminalisation of use and posession.
Just making distribution of all drugs legal is overkill, in my opinion
I don’t know if Meth use should constitute total exile from society, especially if you are trying to get off of it. Its a highly addictive drug and usually people use it because of a state of being deprived and desperate of any joy in life.
This is a misunderstanding, apologies. I’m saying if you’re advocating complete legalisation of distribution of every single drug out there, then I’m using hyperbole to point out that this is too much “freedom to” without considering “freedom from”.
I think all drug use should be decriminalised.
holy shit I can’t believe I’m agreeing with a .ml user about something
Not all .ml are the same 😇
True, but none of them can say bitch
I’m new here, does .ml users have a special reputation or what?
Tankies on .ml
tankies are everywhere
I honestly never heard the term “tankie” before a few days ago. What is it? Extremist communists?
Tankies are fans of authoritarianism masquerading as communism.
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.Edit: I was misinformed
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.
This is wrong. It seems like libs trying to retrofit their sinophobia?
The term comes from the USSR invasion of Hungary.
Thanks!
That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.
Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.
db0 (my instance and @Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.
it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.
I would have organized against Harris because that would have been easier. I’m not looking to get shot by brown shirts in the street.
Yes, they do.
Tankies and libs are both authoriatians supporting different but co-dependent empires.
They’re basically the same thing.
Did this stupid mother fucker really refer to the Prime Minister of Canada as “governor”? Can’t tell if pushing the 51st state bullshit or he’s just that fucking dumb!
He thinks speaking diminutively to people automatically puts him in a position of power over them
It’s an insecurity issue common with bullying
I wish people would start responding by referring to him as “washed up reality TV personality Trump”, or even better, “convinced felon Trump”
It’s great because unlike “Governor Trudeau”, it’s actually true
It’s more infuriating watching how the media treated him in the 80s
They’ve been goading him to run for president since before he was even old enough to run
He has been for a while now, which is actually a violation of the US’ nato obligations. But who care anymore, the US is no longer an ally.
Edit: it also violates a ton of border treaties, and half a doze international agreements the US has benefited from for a long time. But just with NATO:
Key points of the treaty
- The parties agree to settle disputes peacefully
- The parties agree to refrain from using force in a way that goes against the United Nations’ goals
- The parties agree to consider an attack on one of them as an attack on all of them
- The parties agree to consult about threats and defense matters
- The parties agree to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples
- The parties agree to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area
Threatening Canada violates all of these and then some.
It’s the new “we’ll build a wall, and mexico will pay for it” - a clause so dumb that people will complain about that, unknowingly tugging “normalcy” a step in that direction.
Trudeau should call him Mayor, or even better, “Convicted Rapist and Felon”.
He’s more subtle. He’s been calling him just “Donald”.
Thanks, I missed that.
Both, he honestly believes that he will take Canada and Trudeau will be demoted to a governor somehow.
Canada at least has a “Governor-General” who is appointed by the British monarch.
Edit: like several other commonwealth states, Canada is a completely separate country from the United Kingdom. It just happens, by law, that King Charles III is the king of all of them.
When talking about what Charles III is doing in relation to Canada in his position a king, we’re supposed to refer to him as the monarch of Canada, we just don’t tend to do it because he doesn’t live here full time.
Rule by the man with the thickest fingers is no basis for a system of governance!
That’s not what “completely separate” means…
Look, when the King of Canada, or his Governor General, perform official acts for Canada, they use the Great Seal of Canada, not the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It’s totally different, I promise.
Carpet bomb them with inaccuracies and they’ll spend too much time correcting you to keep up.
I’m sure that’s been intentional.
And Trudeau called him “a special American, […] Donald” :D
If any of these worthless politicians actually gave a shit about drug abuse, they would end prohibition and offer basic social services.
Never gonna happen regardless of the politician’s brand.
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
I will never understand how ruining someones life because they are using drugs is supposed to help them get off of drugs.
Edit: don’t get me wrong, it’s great that this has been researched, but it seems so obvious.
Only black people. White people are using fentanyl, so they’re attacking the dealers now
THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON
for you and me to live in!
To be clear, he doesn’t care about illegals either, except as a talking point to get Murcans fired up.
https://www.newsweek.com/immigrant-deportations-removals-trump-biden-obama-compared-chart-2026835
Shit, Ross is a mfing hero in my eyes. Fuck prohibition.
Fucker tried to murder other people, including the roommates of his employees.
Then he should have been tried and convicted on that charge. Instead, he was given a sentence that was disproportionate to his charges.
Exactly
Ross did hire hit men though…
And…?
…pardoned…Ross Ulbricht…
Good. He should have been free the whole time.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
Yea, there are so many other guys, that he pardoned, which are way worse…
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Facts.
The giy who got caught trying to hire a hitman?
No. The guy who was never convicted of that charge, which was dropped, and those agents were convicted of massive corruption. That guy.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
I’m not reading anything from Reason, or any ither Libertarian rag
Your choice, I won’t force you to read it, keep spreading misinformation all you want. It’s there for any who actually want to learn about his case and find out those charges were dropped and the agents convicted themselves.
I love that the left loves the war on drugs just to own the conservatives. The two are more alike than they think.
The left opposes the state and its violent prohibition.
The libs, tankies, fascists, etal who support prohibition… They’re right-wing.
First time hearing that I like the war on drugs that I’ve so violently despised my entire life to fulfill a petty political agenda.
I’m glad we have you here to correctly interpret what we think and believe! I bet you have many more similar gold nuggets that you can pull out of your colon.
Before pardon: Free Ross
Wrong president does it: Wait akshully the corrupt cops that were convicted were right even though he was acquitted of those charges for lack of evidence!
Fucking mind boggling. Like fuck me I don’t like the annoying orange either but this was the right move, he never should have been in jail (at all, end the drug war, but…) especially not “for life” for the crime of running a website.
And free fucking Snowden while we’re here, goddamn.
For the whole drug exchange platform fair enough it might have beeneoverkill. But we are still talking about a guy who was up for killing people on his way. Not sure they are the best for society
As much as I hate Trump, I don’t think this is the “gotcha” it is being portraied as by this tweet. Silk Road was one of the best things to happen for the “safer use” movement of all time. The ability to not have to deal with shady street dealers and order from darknet suppliers on a platform that had legitimate reviews and an escrow system was a huge improvement to the safety of drugs users. It meant a much lower risk of contaminated drugs or getting scammed out of your money.
Of course Ross allegedly also attempted to hire a hitman, which is how he got caught, cause the hitman was an undercover agent, so he allegedly is not a good guy regardless of how you think about him helping people get access to cleaner drugs, but that’s besides the point the author of the tweet is trying to make
People died from overdoses not to mention lots more ruined lives. I get you like the idea of drugs that are safer to order but that does not make it a good thing.
Also lots of child pornography, murder for hire, human trafficking, and all kinds of other shitty things took place. So yeah, not exactly a good thing.
Silk Road did not offer child pornography, weapons, people or hitman services. Ross Ulbricht did not hire a hitman to kill his roommate. He was framed by the FBI and the roommate was coerced into helping stage the murder. The roommate later appologized and tried to get Ulbricht out of prison. Don’t believe all the propaganda. Drugs are dangerous, but law inforcement is always more dangerous.
Only 70% of purchases were drug related. I find it fascinating people triy to defend this garbage human being. Did he purposely offer hitman, weapons, and CP? Perhaps not, but there is no doubt these things took place on this site as they take place on every site. The difference is of course he profited from these interactions taking a cut of drugs and “other” services.
I get it though, law enforcement is worse than the drug dealer that got your little sister hooked on fentanyl leading to her death.
People die from overdoses every day without the Silk Road so I don’t know where you get off making that argument.
And in what world is safer drugs NOT a good thing?
And I’m pretty sure every social media service has had problems with everything you listed at the bottom.
When someone facilitates the selling of illicit unregulated substances that cause the death of others they are often held responsible. Pretty sure that’s how it is supposed to work.
I get it, you want to have an illegal unregulated illicit drug market and you don’t care who it harms. Pretty sure that makes you a POS unless I am missing something.
lots of child pornography, murder for hire, human trafficking,
Are you talking about silk road? Is this some lib conspiracy that I haven’t heard? I think you need to read something based in reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this guy was a real piece of shit that created a platform for all kinds of garbage and knew about it the whole time. I guess if you become rich, suddenly you are a good guy.
So where is the child sexual abuse in your Justice.Gov link. Couldn’t find anything in there about such things, the extraneous things you are latching on to the drug selling.
Pardoning him was however a good thing, given price gouging regarding medications
What does that have to do with Ulbrecht??
Edit: to be clear, darknet markets still exist, and never stopped existing. You don’t need to pardon someone convicted of attempted murder for this.
I’m going to guess there were prescription meds available on SR. The danger is, if they weren’t going through FDA or any oversight, it’s very possible they were some other “mix” containing addictive substances.
Sure, but darknet markets never stopped existing. You don’t need this one loser to be out of prison for these things to exist (and they probably function better without him)
The actual danger is that the system is denying people medications so they need to get them on the black market.
Remember, you always should read Trump’s posts in a voice of a drunk Limerick aunt.
