Kagi, the company behind a paid, private search engine1 of the same name, has announced it's bringing its Webkit-based Orion web browser to Linux. In a
  • mke@programming.dev
    8·
    1 hour ago

    An article about Kagi’s leadership, uncontroversially titled “Why I lost faith in Kagi.” If anyone has updates to add here, good or bad, I’d appreciate it.

    Between the absolute blase attitude towards privacy, the 100% dedication to AI being the future of search, and the completely misguided use of the company’s limited funds, I honestly can’t see Kagi as something I could ever recommend to people.

    …and I’m surprised this quote doesn’t mention the CEO, considering what the blog post has to say about him.

  • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
    3223·
    16 hours ago

    Okay, and? It’s a proprietary browser for a company sponsoring paid search using a Russian engine. I’m quite happy to avoid.

  • Zero@lemmy.caEnglish
    94·
    17 hours ago

    Any word on Windows? Despite the discourse around Kagi using Yandex, they did advise me that they are still building thier own indexes that are planned to eventually replace thirds party ones.

    I’m still not a huge fan of the overuse of AI, but I do think Kagi is on the right track in a lot of other areas.

    edit: I’m in the Linux community… Ignore the first sentence 😅

      • Zero@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        Maybe “overuse” isn’t the right word. “Over-investment” maybe.

        I think the Universal Summarizer and Quick Answer are okay but the Assistant just doesn’t do it for me. No one is forcing me to use it or pay for it however and I don’t run the company, so it’s a moot point…

        They’ve reiterated that AI is central to their mission, I just don’t find the LLM interfacing very compelling personally.

      • BossDj@lemm.ee
        10·
        15 hours ago

        Probably that engines are putting Ai in the forefront of searches lately

        • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
          31·
          15 hours ago

          Kagi doesn’t do that. It doesn’t even show you an AI response unless you specifically request it.

          • Baldur Nil@programming.dev
            11·
            3 hours ago

            I wish there was a cheaper plan that didn’t involve AI at all. Like, I don’t care to have X prompts every month. I’d like to pay just for the engine.

            • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
              21·
              3 hours ago

              You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.

              • Baldur Nil@programming.dev
                11·
                2 hours ago

                You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.

                But what you pay involves the calculated cost of using the AI, otherwise they’d be losing money if a lot of users were to make too many prompts. So it should be possible to have a lower price that didn’t give you any prompts.

                • Zero@lemmy.caEnglish
                  2·
                  2 hours ago

                  The other poster is right… The base plans don’t contain any amount of “prompts” and are very reasonable /affordable.

    • BossDj@lemm.ee
      21·
      14 hours ago

      So, duckduckgo also uses Yandex, right? I know Bing as their premier, but all these search engines use more than one source. I haven’t been able to see where any of them provide their entire list of sources. DDG and Kagi both previously listed Yandex and have since quietly disappeared their mention from their informational pages

      • Zero@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        The reference used to live here, iirc. They updated the language to say “all major search results providers” rather than listing the actual names as they did previously.