In a recent call on the national question someone asked about how some people say the United States is not a legitimate nation because of settler colonialism and he said he knew it was obviously wrong but was wondering what their mistake is. Someone claimed that ālandbackā people never have a clear policy proposal. And I was shocked and hoping it could be rectified. Next was said in response that itās true as Stalin said that the US became a nation when it left Britain because it was a specific group of settlers, but it expanded through brutal means and that should be rectified. After a while into the call eventually the issue was returned to. The fact that there are still many indigenous tribes within the US and therefore should be given their original land and sovereignty was said. In response people said that it would make them to isolated from the union and they have the option to have that sovereignty from their reservations, but obviously choose not to, which is absurd because these states should also get lots of aid and solidarity from other socialist areas (as this would be after the revolution and it would be different to now). I thought it was bad enough but after it was said that primarily settler colonial nations need their histories rectified they said that they donāt even oppose the existence of Israel anymore. Then the gensec said that people are ignoring ādialecticsā that things change. People move in and out of territory- (though usually not by genocide)- and therefore the US is no different and we should not try to change that. āAll the slaves are dead.ā-Though people are still affected by that history, native Americans are still under special oppression by the state, and in the case of Palestine people are still alive that can remember having their land stolen and have physical evidence that it belonged to them- according to another āsome Marxists read Marx and Lenin and come to the opposite conclusionsā suggesting those bad Marxists are the āland-backā people.
Whoever warned me that they were PatSocs are right. What should I do? Is there hope of convincing them? Should I leave ASAP? Should I wait? Itās been mentioned here that we should follow the leadership of BIPOC people, does anyone know the modern equivalent of the White Panthers or AIM I should join?
Edit: I forget to mention the made the point that refugees are coming here now and if we do landback there would be refugees from here-like, sure peopleād have to move but weāve got space, and arenāt our birth rates declining anyway? Itās not like thereāll be an anti-white trail of tears. With socialist central planning we can allocate resources to support evicted settlers. Also, thereās a whole lotta land thatās privately owned that could easily be expropriated for indigenous people along with national parks which theyād manage far better. I think they also suggested that we need to integrate Native Americans as much as possible because their sovereignty wonāt help. Finally, apparently they wouldāve supported the new Afrikan struggle in the 30ās, but since I guess they donāt think you can fight fascism and racism and colonialism at the same time.
Iām somewhat wary of PSL because the infamous abuse scandal happened in the branch of the city I live near. From what Iāve read of it, while I canāt say for certain whether the abuse charge is accurate, the way the leadership handled the incident was pretty bad regardless of the veracity of the accusation.
This is the account of the accuser of the misconduct.
WARNING: the following 2 links are google docs links.
Here is a document of some membersās criticisms of how the org handled the Philly situation.
Here is an addendum to the previous document, which includes the PSLās official response to the previous document as well.
@Elara@lemmygrad.ml youāre pretty good with this kind of stuff. Do you know a way to get the content of a google doc without needing to sign into Google?
Google doesnāt require you to sign in to export the document. However, itās probably not a good idea to use Google Docs at all, so I used a VPN and exported them for you :)
Here are the links:
Thanks. Maybe degoogling google docs can be a feature on the tankie reply bot.
Iāll see if itās possible, but probably not. Google has put a lot of work into making sure bots donāt automatically do anything on Google Docs without paying exorbitant fees for API access.