• ccunix@sh.itjust.works
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    18 hours ago

    No, that is absolutely NOT what Christians believe. Certainly all protestants believe the salvation comes 100% through grace, not works. Catholic and Orthodox is more complicated, but even they believe works are a symptom of grace, not the other way around.

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      14 hours ago

      Protestants believe you need to have faith in Christ to be saved, and that will lead you to wanting to do good works. They’re basically Catholics, but without the church institutions being central to salvation.

      For Catholics and many other churches, you need to be baptised to be saved. For Catholicism specifically, this is done by your parents while a child, but it is also required for converts to be saved.

      Born again Christians require a profession of faith and repentence. That’s not a high bar there, but it’s still a thing you need to do.

      Calvinists believe in predestination, meaning your salvation is already determined, believe that those who will be saved will demonstrate certain behaviours, thus encouraging people to do things to convince themselves they’re part of that elite group.

      So generally speaking, Christians believe you need to do something to be saved.

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        7 hours ago

        Well protestant can mean anything from high Anglican to happy clappy Pentecostal.

        The big realisation by Martin Luther that led to Protestantism was that it was all about grace and nothing else matters. There are other things (fruits, works, call them what you will), but none of them lead to salvation - only grace. That is the very core of Protestant Christianity in all its forms.

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          5 hours ago

          Sure.

          My point is that faith is still something you need to cultivate, and that’s what leads to salvation. According to Protestants, Joe Blow who has never heard about Jesus isn’t saved because he hasn’t attained the faith needed to receive that grace. Maybe you don’t need a baptismal service or other ritual to be saved, but you do need faith.

          If grace truly was all that was needed, what’s the point of these churches existing, and who doesn’t get salvation? Protestants certainly have a concept of hell, so there’s certainly something you need to do to avoid it (believe in Jesus and that he has saved you).