put all of your election posting here so it doesn’t bother anyone else!

from @CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net:

For Agitprop purposes, I’m asking comrades to help aggregate any and all effortpost responses, critiques, or general thoughts that you have seen or written pertaining to yesterday’s U.S. election that you think have standalone value for discussion either online or IRL.

I made a post for that purpose here, and ideally it can be used not only for general discussion, but as a reference for well thought out responses in discussions about the election to save all of us some brainpower.

No shitposts please, as we’d like to highlight some comrades’ actual effort in constructing responses or analysis, but humor is 100% welcome to help make your point!

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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          The border is closed you brain-dead fuck, the “illegals” came legally you dumb motherfucker, are you seriously under the delusion 12 million people crossed a fucking desert led by a border coyote

          Biden has deported more people than Trump or Obama ever did, all because they didn’t have the “correct” paper work, so yes shut the fuck up and stop spreading racist bullshit

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            Also, people illegally circumventing the militarized border fascism should 100% be supported and rewarded for their bravery, in fact. They are contributing more to the well-being of our society than all the colonizing racists combined.

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              Undocumented workers are hugely beneficial to the tax base because they pay taxes but cannot access most benefits, resulting in a huge net gain to the tax base. They’re kinda the perfect Neoliberal subject - They pay taxes but receive no public benefits, they have to submit to the law because they have no legal standing, and unemployment probably means exile. Plus, employers can discipline their labor force by calling ICE at any time to crush any dissent.

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          how about this, Government implements a universal job guarantee so anyone (with or without citizenship) gets a 40hrs a week job, minimum wage. there you go, the wage can no longer be depressed below the Government guaranteed one.

          also, remain in Mexico was/is incredibly cruel not that you care.

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      Open border? Don’t use republican (and now Democrat) talking points.

      Democrats embraced the Republican narrative that the border is a problem, that’s the problem.

      Not the first time it’s happened either. Remember when Obamna said US Government had “maxed out it’s credit card” and can’t “afford to” spend? Literally Paul Ryan sound finance nonsense.

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        Yeah Biden shouldn’t have ended the remain in Mexico policy but he did. That depresses wages for most workers and the party gets to own that.

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          https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

          BUT MUH OPEN BORDERS POLICY!jon-yell

          Fucking ridiculous bullshit. The US doesn’t have anything approaching an “open borders” policy. Also migrant workers aren’t the ones suppressing wages, its the fucking business owners that decide that they want to hire cheaper labor and generally the politicians who do not to push minimum wages to keep up with inflation at the behest of the ownership class. Get out of here with that xenophobic shit.

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          Declining wages have nothing to do with undocumented workers coming in to do the jobs that crackers are never gonna do in large enough numbers anyway. USian wages have been completely stagnated since 1973 and the dawn of neoliberalism. Don’t blame immigrants, blame capitalists and imperialism.

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            Remember back when Obummer nearly ruined the Georgia peach harvest because he cracked down on immigration to the point where ag workers went in to hiding and teh margins on US ag are so sharp that white people won’t (can’t afford to) do the work?

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          If you’re concerned about “depressed wages”, join and/or support a non-racist, non-nationalist labor union like the IWW, dumbass. Labor solidarity must cross and subvert the artificial, capitalist-approved, state-imposed lines across the map. FUCK your borders!

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      I don’t think Gaza is irrelevant to the election, it’s just that it’s only an issue that a minority of people (some progressives, many Muslims, etc) care about to the extent that it’ll influence their voting pattern. So in a state election with a small margin between Harris and Trump, it could be one (of several) deciding factors as to who gets pushed over the edge. It’s like saying that the Libertarian Party or Green Party is totally irrelevant in the election just because neither will win outright - their mere presence will at least somewhat influence who will become the victor in swing states.

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      Most have the opinion they elected a terrorist organization as their government who had a stated goal of the complete genocide of Israel, then they fucked around and found out when Israel pulled the uno reverse card. Surprised Pikachu face.

      open border

      Oh, so you’re a genocide supporting piece of shit.

      2000 Democrat

      I bet you still watch South Park and get your political opinions from it.