How did it never apply? Palestine isn’t exactly progressive, so the fact that progressives support it is actually one of the ways the label doesn’t fit him anymore
It might as well be. Why else would you use the fact that Palestine isn’t progressive itself to question why progressives support it? Progressives believe that people have a right to live regardless of their beliefs. It’s only actions taken that can invalidate that right, which is why we support Palestine and not Israel; beliefs have nothing to do with it - one is massacring the other, and that’s unacceptable.
I highly doubt he sees it that way, in fact this is also something that has poisoned discourse lately. How is your first assumption that he wants innocent people to die? Like seriously, everyone needs to stop making assumptions like that… it’s so extremely unlikely he actually feels that way.
Maybe he’s just a bit surprised at the left wing support for a state that hates Jews, women, and gay people. And a state that in large part does endorse the deaths of innocent people and would if they only could. Israel on the other hand wouldn’t be doing much right now if they weren’t bombed
Well, no, he doesn’t see it that way - he’s not progressive. He’s just a guy who said he was to get elected, and now he’s showing his true colors. As for Israel, the country that only exists because it stole land from the people who were there already, would be doing just fine if the people whose land it stole just moved on, yes, but that’s not going to happen, nor should it.
Some Palestinians use their beliefs to fuel their hatred, and you don’t need me to tell you that’s bad, but only those who actually let those beliefs lead to unwarranted actions of violence are to be condemned, not the people as a whole. The same goes for Israel - only those who take unwarranted action against Palestine are to be condemned. You can and should disagree with the parts of anyone’s beliefs that go against basic human decency, but that alone doesn’t invalidate their right to live.
You act like this started because of a recent bombing and not because of the suppression of an innocent group people over the course of nearly a century. It’s the quintessential bullshit milquetoast excuse of “If you fight back against a bully, you’re just as bad.” The US is an example of what happens when the invaders simply kill all of the original occupants to claim the land for themselves - you’ll have a tough time finding a progressive who thinks that ended up being a happy outcome.
How did it never apply? Palestine isn’t exactly progressive, so the fact that progressives support it is actually one of the ways the label doesn’t fit him anymore
That’s not progressivism you’re thinking of.
Is that a direct quote?
It might as well be. Why else would you use the fact that Palestine isn’t progressive itself to question why progressives support it? Progressives believe that people have a right to live regardless of their beliefs. It’s only actions taken that can invalidate that right, which is why we support Palestine and not Israel; beliefs have nothing to do with it - one is massacring the other, and that’s unacceptable.
I highly doubt he sees it that way, in fact this is also something that has poisoned discourse lately. How is your first assumption that he wants innocent people to die? Like seriously, everyone needs to stop making assumptions like that… it’s so extremely unlikely he actually feels that way.
Maybe he’s just a bit surprised at the left wing support for a state that hates Jews, women, and gay people. And a state that in large part does endorse the deaths of innocent people and would if they only could. Israel on the other hand wouldn’t be doing much right now if they weren’t bombed
Well, no, he doesn’t see it that way - he’s not progressive. He’s just a guy who said he was to get elected, and now he’s showing his true colors. As for Israel, the country that only exists because it stole land from the people who were there already, would be doing just fine if the people whose land it stole just moved on, yes, but that’s not going to happen, nor should it.
Some Palestinians use their beliefs to fuel their hatred, and you don’t need me to tell you that’s bad, but only those who actually let those beliefs lead to unwarranted actions of violence are to be condemned, not the people as a whole. The same goes for Israel - only those who take unwarranted action against Palestine are to be condemned. You can and should disagree with the parts of anyone’s beliefs that go against basic human decency, but that alone doesn’t invalidate their right to live.
You act like this started because of a recent bombing and not because of the suppression of an innocent group people over the course of nearly a century. It’s the quintessential bullshit milquetoast excuse of “If you fight back against a bully, you’re just as bad.” The US is an example of what happens when the invaders simply kill all of the original occupants to claim the land for themselves - you’ll have a tough time finding a progressive who thinks that ended up being a happy outcome.