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Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip and an agreement would be reached on an end to the war.
There was no immediate public response from Israel, which has said it will not pull its troops out of Gaza until Hamas is wiped out.
The Hamas counterproposal envisages three phases of a truce, lasting 45 days each. Militants would exchange remaining Israeli hostages captured on Oct. 7 for Palestinian prisoners. The reconstruction of Gaza would begin, Israeli forces would withdraw completely, and bodies and remains would be exchanged.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived overnight in Israel after meeting the leaders of mediators Qatar and Egypt.
A source close to the negotiations said the Hamas counterproposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire at the outset, but an end to the war would have to be agreed during the truce before the final hostages were freed.
I’ve been talking to an Israeli girl for the last few months… Interesting to see things from their perspective. Ya know, if I had to hide in shelters from rocket attacks almost everyday, witnessing a stabbing that happened right next to a date I was having, etc, I’d probably be pretty fucking jaded as well.
The recent pulling of UNWRA funding was pretty telling imo :/ what are you supposed to do as a state when you have a bunch of kids being radicalized by billionaires living in Qatar to kill Jews n that it would be an honorable death doing so…
This same girl was thankful for the illegal Israeli settlers in the west bank because they act as a buffer to keep the Israeli center safe as they pull ire to them vs where she lives. I know it is a talking point, but I’d be curious to hear y’all’s answer on why the Egyptian border looks the way it does vs the Israeli one with Gaza.
Talking to this gal initially, I viewed it as trying to understand the perspective of a true believing Nazi German who happened to be ludicrously hot. The saying of “when you start into the abyss for too long, the abyss stares back” is too true >_< she calls the Palestinians rats quite frequently. I’m sad to say that hearing about her life, I’ve come to understand why she thinks the way she does. Even if I heavily disagree with a lot of her opinions and her fact checking.
Just yesterday I was talking to her about the tankboi killing those journalists in Lebanon. Her knee jerk reaction was that it was lies. Had to coax out of her which foreign media source she trusted based off what she had seen… It was fucking fox (of course). So I linked her a fox article about it, and it was quite entertaining feeling the gears turn.
That’s hilariously quaint next to life as a Palestinian. Hell, a stabbing? That’s quaint next to life in the hood of the USA. Maybe ask her to consider the Palestinian perspective next. They lost their land and haven’t been able to return. 78% of their water is bad. They can’t control their borders, imports, or exports. They can be held for months without trial or charge. The noise is so bad from the buzz of drones they can’t sleep. Israel restricts their calories to the bare minimum (calls it “putting them on a diet”). They raid their areas occasionally to kill some people and take more prisoners (call it “mowing the grass”). They bomb their hospitals, apartment buildings, refugee camps, and other civilian infrastructure. They get their trees and agriculture pulled by Israeli settlers who get defended by troops. Unemployment is rampant. Israel controls their electricity, which doesn’t work multiple times a day, their trash, and all other parts of their infrastructure. All they have is unguided rockets that occasionally kill their own, while Israel has a state of the art rocket defense system that prevents almost all of their deaths, jets, bombs, helicopters, and always the latest in military gear and tech. The Palestinians are maimed en masse during peaceful protests like the Great March of Return. The list goes on and on.
The Nazi comparison is right. Imagine some Nazi saying they’re thankful the government is moving the Jews away from them by putting them on these trains. It’s more of a buffer zone from the scary Jewish ghettos. They bring up the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and how they saw people die from the scary Jews.
That’s basically what she was saying. There’s no concern for the citizens at all, and no realization that the “scary” situation is completely of their own making due to their own occupation and blockade of civilians, who will then rightly get angrier and angrier as time passes without a solution allowing their own sovereignty.
M8, you’re saying these things as if I’m not aware of the hypocrisy. Asking her why she disliked Netanyahu, and then her telling me he isn’t extreme ENOUGH because he failed to protect them, yeahhhh. Then on being pressed for examples of historical leaders she thinks the leaders of Israel should emulate today, she sent me a link to one of the leaders of the Zionist movement before Israels founding who was… You guessed it… pretty terrorist-y in their behavior. The irony was not apparent to her, and the cognitive dissonance was palpable.
Asking her why I as a foreign national should give a flying fuck about Israeli hostages (she mentions them so much) compared to say Ukraine, she said I wouldn’t get it as I’m not Israeli (tribalism much?), and that the hostages are going through so much suffering. I sent her a before and after of a Ukrainian pow from Mauripol… Still didn’t care. Initially, I thought she was working for the IDF doing psyops, noooooope. She genuinely believes her governments propaganda and thinks the worlds media apparatus is just, lying all the time about what’s happening.
Haha sorry, hope I didn’t come off as angry at you. It’s just people like that make me angry and then I spout off. That was more to vent and I guess for other people who may agree with her.
There is a lot to be angry over. A lot of her logic reminds me of a friend of mine who id known for 7 years who joined the navy recently. We had a falling out for a year, and when I started talking to him again, he had become pro life and “the civil war wasn’t about slavery” sort of shit. THOSE “debates” kept me up at night for months thinking about them afterwards @_@ though, he shut the fuck up real quick about the civil war when I started linking Smithsonian articles about the Confederate declarations of Independence or w/e…
Specifically, WHY they were seceding. Then he just pivoted to abortion… Id murder a trillion clumps of cells in the womb to save or make better the life of one actual god damn human being :/
People aren’t cartoon villains. There is always a twisted logic behind those who advocate for ethnic cleansing. It may or may not be that Israel would be better off killing or driving out all Palestinians (at least in a vacuum) but that does not change that the rest of the world should not tolerate it.
I don’t think people understand what it’s like from an Israeli perspective. They place all the blame on Israel. Not saying Israel is innocent, they aren’t, but between the two sides, Israel is the reactionary party.
I have less concerns we could turn Israel pacifist.
Hamas will never be peaceful. It’s up to Gaza’s people to change that and reject the violent poking of Israel.
I mean… what kicked this off this time? Hamas committing horrific acts.
I’m pretty sure Israel doing something to the Al Aqsa mosque kicked it up this time.
Yes, I’m sure that justifies killing and kidnapping over 1,000 people.
Nothing justifies it, but if you want to know why it happened you’re going to have to look before October 7th. Decades and decades before it even. And you’ll have to be honest about all the things Israel has done, all the people they’ve killed (way more than 1,000 btw), and all the land they’ve taken. And that they continued to do so recently, even before October 7th.
So then you go back to the three separate wars the Arab states started all the way back at the beginning.
Hamas will never change. Hamas is a terrorist organization. As long as Gaza lets them lead, this cycle will never be broken.
That war was started because Britain betrayed the promise to the Palestinians and gave their land that they already lived on to another state without any of their input.
Gaza doesn’t let them do anything. Hamas won an election once and there hasn’t been another one since. And the same thing can be said about Israel. They actually have elections and they choose to elect people that prolong the cycle of violence through constant land grabs, apartheid policies, and occupation.
What do you mean this time? It’s not like Israel stopped killing people.
This time meaning the widespread military action.
Stop blaming Israel only. Blame them both.
I’m sorry is abducting thousands of people from a foreign country and holding them without trial; bombing that country repeatedly; and holding it under blockade not widespread military action? Why does Israel constantly get a pass but the second Palestinians do something it’s a cause for a “new” war?
The old war never ended. Israel has never stopped stealing land with the backing of the IDF.
You’re right
The war of 1948 never truly ended.
And I’ll admit that Hamas has done some fucked up stuff, but right now Israel is doing ten times worse.