It’s important to note that the real disparity may be even far worse.
OCHA-OPT (the committee gathering this data) is strict about verifying validity of Palestinian casualties, requiring two independent, verified and non-affiliated sources. Casualties in Israel, however, they trust the media at face value. They also exclude a lot of Palestinian casualties even when verified in certain situations. Example, and I quote them:
People who were killed or injured in conflict-related incidents that took place in Israel and did not involve residents of the oPt are also excluded.
oPt (occupied Palestinian territories) are the areas that Israel does not directly oversee. So most of Israel is not oPt by their criteria.
Israel is notorious for restricting journalists reporting on Israeli crimes, and has murdered journalists countless of times, like last year the Christian Palestinian Shireen Abu Akleh reporting on the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Sheikh Jarrah (so not even in a war zone area). This causes many casualties to go unverified and thus undocumented.
And Israel has been caught lying before about its own casualties, like the 40 beheaded babies.
They’ve got a long road ahead of them to kill that many people but i admit the thought occurred to me as well. There does seem to be a ratio being followed here.
Given Israel’s rhetoric, they are literally letting us know the number will climb much higher. But the West is too busy condemning Hamas, and will sponsor yet another genocide in the modern era.
Definitely helps that Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields launching rockets from schools and hospitals.
Just stop and consider the psyche that takes. You have to 1) be completely willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable of your own people and 2) admit that your enemy doesn’t want to kill those same people. Imagine how things may go if Israel attempted to use Jews as human shields against Hamas.
This isn’t the Palestinian people “resisting”, it’s their batshit “government” that would kill us all if they had their way, killing as many people as they can regardless of whether it actually helps the cause of their people.
There is no doubt the Israeli government has and continues to commit war crimes. But supporting or justifying Hamas is just insane.
Didn’t look like you’re replying to anyone supporting Hamas.
Also, there is an alternative #2 in your scenario. “Know your enemy would lose too much western support too readily if they were to fine on all the civilian targets they would like to”.
Imagine how things may go if Israel attempted to use Jews as human shields against Hamas.
You mean like putting many settlements and civilians right on the border of Gaza, a concentration camp and active war Zone? Or allowing a rave dance to occur at the gates of a concentration camp and active war zone, and next to a military base that would be targeted by Hamas? And sprinkle in some IDF tanks while you’re at it.
Literally ever Jewish person in Israel would be dead tomorrow if Hamas has the military power of Israel. And the next day they would move on to genocide against some other group that doesn’t ascribe to their deranged world view. I cannot understand how Israel being awful blinds people to how much worse Hamas is.
Can you please actually address my comment that you’re responding to? I was talking about Israel using human shields. You’re bringing up an entirely new argument that’s unrelated. Unless you mean that Israel is justified using human shields?
We don’t have to imagine it because it is already happening, and I gave you the example.
You are equating people living in settlements near Gaza with firing rockets from schools and hospitals
You do realize those Israeli settlements have schools and hospitals too, right? They held a rave dance surrounded by IDF tanks. But I understand you already made up your mind.
We know Hamas explicitly wants to kill all of the Jews in Israel. They have told us this explicitly, many times. How would Israel using human shields make ANY sense? Was there an attack launched from the dance rave you claim happened
? As Hamas launches their attacks from the schools and hospitals? Why the fuck would anyone attend this? Do you see how this makes absolutely no sense
They are not launching attacks from their schools and hospitals. And have an advanced defense system to protect themselves.
Relevant Context:
https://m.thewire.in/article/world/chart-6407-palestinians-and-308-israelis-killed-in-violence-in-last-15-years
It’s important to note that the real disparity may be even far worse.
OCHA-OPT (the committee gathering this data) is strict about verifying validity of Palestinian casualties, requiring two independent, verified and non-affiliated sources. Casualties in Israel, however, they trust the media at face value. They also exclude a lot of Palestinian casualties even when verified in certain situations. Example, and I quote them:
People who were killed or injured in conflict-related incidents that took place in Israel and did not involve residents of the oPt are also excluded.oPt (occupied Palestinian territories) are the areas that Israel does not directly oversee. So most of Israel is not oPt by their criteria.
Israel is notorious for restricting journalists reporting on Israeli crimes, and has murdered journalists countless of times, like last year the Christian Palestinian Shireen Abu Akleh reporting on the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Sheikh Jarrah (so not even in a war zone area). This causes many casualties to go unverified and thus undocumented.
And Israel has been caught lying before about its own casualties, like the 40 beheaded babies.
Take that as you will.
That 2023 number is about to get way more lopsided.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up the same ratio as 2014
They’ve got a long road ahead of them to kill that many people but i admit the thought occurred to me as well. There does seem to be a ratio being followed here.
Given Israel’s rhetoric, they are literally letting us know the number will climb much higher. But the West is too busy condemning Hamas, and will sponsor yet another genocide in the modern era.
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Definitely helps that Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields launching rockets from schools and hospitals.
Just stop and consider the psyche that takes. You have to 1) be completely willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable of your own people and 2) admit that your enemy doesn’t want to kill those same people. Imagine how things may go if Israel attempted to use Jews as human shields against Hamas.
This isn’t the Palestinian people “resisting”, it’s their batshit “government” that would kill us all if they had their way, killing as many people as they can regardless of whether it actually helps the cause of their people.
There is no doubt the Israeli government has and continues to commit war crimes. But supporting or justifying Hamas is just insane.
Didn’t look like you’re replying to anyone supporting Hamas.
Also, there is an alternative #2 in your scenario. “Know your enemy would lose too much western support too readily if they were to fine on all the civilian targets they would like to”.
You mean like putting many settlements and civilians right on the border of Gaza, a concentration camp and active war Zone? Or allowing a rave dance to occur at the gates of a concentration camp and active war zone, and next to a military base that would be targeted by Hamas? And sprinkle in some IDF tanks while you’re at it.
Wait, we don’t have to imagine it.
Literally ever Jewish person in Israel would be dead tomorrow if Hamas has the military power of Israel. And the next day they would move on to genocide against some other group that doesn’t ascribe to their deranged world view. I cannot understand how Israel being awful blinds people to how much worse Hamas is.
Can you please actually address my comment that you’re responding to? I was talking about Israel using human shields. You’re bringing up an entirely new argument that’s unrelated. Unless you mean that Israel is justified using human shields?
You said we don’t need to imagine it. I think you do.
You are equating people living in settlements near Gaza with firing rockets from schools and hospitals. Do I really need to respond to that?
We don’t have to imagine it because it is already happening, and I gave you the example.
You do realize those Israeli settlements have schools and hospitals too, right? They held a rave dance surrounded by IDF tanks. But I understand you already made up your mind.
We know Hamas explicitly wants to kill all of the Jews in Israel. They have told us this explicitly, many times. How would Israel using human shields make ANY sense? Was there an attack launched from the dance rave you claim happened ? As Hamas launches their attacks from the schools and hospitals? Why the fuck would anyone attend this? Do you see how this makes absolutely no sense
They are not launching attacks from their schools and hospitals. And have an advanced defense system to protect themselves.