• 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
    662·
    11 months ago

    At the same time, they believe whatever half-baked narrative about Uyghurs in xinjiang by a totally biased pseudoscholar.

    • Yiazmat@lemmygrad.ml
      462·
      11 months ago

      it’s so crazy to me how there have been thousands of pictures and videos showing incontrovertible proof people in Palestine are being massacred, we’ve seen exactly zero pictures or videos of the same happening in Xinjiang yet between the two countries China is the one being accused of genocide by the west

      • darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml
        331·
        11 months ago

        They believe what the State Dept and mass western bourgeois press tells them to believe. The press told them China doing a genocide is a fact, State Dept agreed, they believe it. Those two reject the reality of Palestinian suffering, highlight only zionist propaganda messaging and this is the result. These people aren’t seeing those pictures or don’t consider them reliable because the “authoritative people” haven’t made the call for it so it’s all just Russian disinfo psyops or whatever.

        Rejecting the truthfulness of those two institutions would require changing their worldviews and then they wouldn’t be liberals. There’s also something to be said for white supremacy. Casting Asians as barbaric, brutal, hordes is easy and doesn’t dispute the white supremacist narrative. Casting white coded zionist settlers as bad would disrupt the narrative, better to continue to code brown Muslim people as barbaric hordes just like those Asiatic types out to destroy the “garden” of white civilization.

      • AmerikaLosesWW3@lemmygrad.ml
        5·
        11 months ago

        Oh you want proof? Best I can do is a heavily pixelated of some school in China. There’s your proof. Huh? You won’t accept it? CPP SHILL! The Chinese government is using some sort of magical technology to block our satellites!

        Remember guys, Chinese technology is shit when it’s convenient and highly advanced when it’s convenient for the narrative.

    • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
      281·
      11 months ago

      Easy to explain, they want Muslims (or Palestinians in general of any faith) to die in Gaza and they want Muslims to fight China for them in xinjiang, like a lot of Muslims did in Afghanistan against the USSR.

      There is no cognitive dissonance here. They are looking out for themselves and their empire. The narratives aren’t for them, it’s for others.

  • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    411·
    11 months ago

    I don’t understand this argument either. Studying Fascism for several years I have had to grapple with numerous complex topics, such as why the Fascist bourgeoisie adopted antisemitism, why the Third Reich allied with Imperial Japan, why the Polish ruling class wouldn’t officially ally with the Fascists, and more. I can tell you that the subject of Palestine is not especially complex.

    • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
      361·
      11 months ago

      Ukraine was way more complicated than this and they acted like it was simple. Now they can’t see an obvious “bad guy” staring straight at them.

    • urshanabi [he/they]@lemmygrad.ml
      111·
      11 months ago

      For those of us who don’t know (like me) could you explain the bit about the Polish ruling class and not officially allying with Fascists?

      • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        8·
        11 months ago

        Since the pact [Józef] Beck refused to join provided solely for opposition to the international organization of Communism, and [Warsaw] was vehemently anti‐Communist as well as on the least friendly terms possible with the Soviet Union, why the reluctance of [Warsaw] to join and why the insistence of [Berlin] that she do so?

        The answer to the question of [Warsaw’s] attitude is that adherence to the Anti‐Comintern Pact was seen as a form of policy subservience to Germany, a subservience not only in regard to the Soviet Union but in every other respect as well. This was no idle speculation on Beck’s part. Once [Warsaw] took the step [Berlin] wanted, she would be at [Berlin’s] mercy because she would have ruptured her tie to France while exposing herself to the wrath of her great eastern neighbor.

        It was, of course, this very subservience that Hitler wanted. For his ambitions further east he needed either Poland’s acquiescence or that country’s destruction; any truly independent Poland would be a bar to his aims, and in the immediate future he especially wanted Poland quiet while he settled with England and France.

        (Source.)

  • yiliu@informis.landEnglish
    111·
    11 months ago

    Oh cool, you’ll be able to answer my question! Whenever I ask, I just get downvoted. But you must know, since you’re making a very clear and explicit accusation, and quoting genocide experts! I’m sure you won’t just downvote or ban me!

    What is Israel doing that qualifies as genocide?

    I understand they’re behaving badly in many ways. It’s easy to argue that they’re ooppressing the Palestinians. They’ve almost certainly committed war crimes. They’re blockading and suppressing them.

    But I keep seeing this claim that they’re committing genocide. How? Are they systematically exterminating the Palestinian people? For Palestinians killed by Israel since 2000, I get figures from the high hundreds all the way to a couple thousand. That’s not a small number, but there are 5+ million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. For comparison, there are about 2.5 million people in Chicago, and since 2000 there have been way more than 2000 people killed by gun violence. If they’re trying to exterminate the Palestinians, they’re doing a piss-poor job of it: average Americans do a better job of killing one another than the Israelis do at killing their supposed targets for genocide.

    Are there secret death camps? Gas chambers? Shooting squads? Einsatzgruppen? Are there policies of mass sterilization?

    Of course, there’s other definitions of genocide that don’t involve killing! Forcibly destroying a culture by other means can qualify as genocide using the UN definitions. Are the Israelis mass-converting the Palestinians to Judaism? Are they teaching them Hebrew? Or forcing them en masse into secular schools?

    It’s not like people just started calling it ‘genocide’ because that’s a big scary word that gets people’s attention, right? There must be some basis for it!

    • Lemonparty@lemm.ee
      142·
      11 months ago

      They forcibly removed people of a certain race from their homes, restricted them to a small area, prevented them leaving, then made the area smaller. Then they cut off all their methods of communication outside the area of their confine. Then started indiscriminately murdering civilians and children, including bombing hospitals, and refugee camps. They also instructed civilians to flee to a certain places away from where they were bombing, so that they could avoid being bombed…and then bombed those places they said to flee to.

      Totally not genocide. You fucking horses ass.

      • Ademir@lemmy.eco.br
        1·
        9 months ago

        Don’t forget about taking almost all their water. And leaving only shitty water for them to use.

      • yiliu@informis.land
        14·
        11 months ago

        Totally not genocide.

        Literally correct. Behaving badly is not automatically genocidal.

        I’d address the obvious omissions in your reply, but this seems like the wrong venue for actual discussion. But no, confining people is not genocide. Cutting off communication is not genocide. Engaging in acts of war that kill civilians is not genocide. Genocide has a specific definition, and none of the items you list qualify. That doesn’t mean that Israel is blameless, and they deserve a hell of a lot of criticism, but they have not committed or attempted to commit genocide.

    • Asafum@feddit.nl
      2·
      11 months ago

      That’s it you solved it! We can safely ignore what’s going on and Israel is totes cool because it’s not actually genocide! Pack it up boys we’re done here, world peace achieved!

  • kleenbhole
    134·
    11 months ago

    Youre just butthurt because you couldn’t genocide the Jews first