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So drinking a real-world cow’s milk is ok, but drinking a Zootopia cow’s milk would not be ok because… the Zootopia cow is presumably a full member of society who earns a living by consensually being milked?
It would be a little strange to eat ice cream from consensually milked women tbh
Well then you definitely don’t wanna google that.
OK I’ll add that to the list of things I’ll never google.
You should live a little and Google it ;)
Why?
If the women are fine with it, get a wage from it and can quit any time they choose to, where is the problem?
And just to add to the pile: humans can lactate without the need for pregnancy - even males - and some women can develop a condition called hyperlactation where the body goes full throttle on producing milk, beyond any needs of an infant. And never stop, in very extreme cases.
Sounds a good deal more sustainable and fair than cows milk and a heck lot more efficient than milking trees.
Maybe I’m being cynical but I think humans would find a way to exploit this market and make women suffer, just like we can do with cattle.
Inject women with hormones to make them produce more milk is an example I can think of.
This is why we need a strong, massive milkers union
Do you mean milk producers union?
Because the milkers would be those paying for the milk to resell it.
No the milkers are the titties, they were trying to be clever.
Allow me to be dumb, then.
No I’m talking about some serious mommy milkers
No kinky business
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To my knowledge, the use of hormones in milk cattle is banned. And hormones in humans have severe life lasting side effects.
And hormones in humans have severe life lasting side effects.
Not having hormones has pretty severe effects. Women who’ve gone through menopause (or had ovaries removed) and don’t produce hormones often get prescribed hormones to prevent things like osteoporosis. Men with low testosterone get prescribed it. Children who don’t produce hormones don’t go through puberty–in the past, they castrated boys with pretty voices so they’d never have their voice break, and that had severe health consequences on the boys turned into eunuchs.
I’m saying all of this because when it comes to “hormones”, you kinda have to be specific. You can’t just throw it out there like, “oOooOO! Hormones! Scary!” Otherwise you get into a realm similar to how people hear “dihydrogen monoxide” and don’t make the connection between the “scary science word” and the fact that dihydrogen monoxide is water and is necessary for life.
Sometimes I really hate the english language…
Back there, when I mention hormones, it is implied it is non necessary for the normal functioning of the organism.
In my language, using the word “hormones” in a conversation immediatly carries the meaning it is something artificially added, like hormone therapy for menopausal women or hormone therapy for transgender individuals or even for people with thyroid problems.
If they pay hazard pay and people willingly contribute, what’s the issue?
At first glance, none.
But then “willingness” and “money” rarely mix well. Yeah, there are humans “willing” to be paid for their plasma but it’s a marginalized part of the population trying to have just enough money to survive.
I’m sorry. I’m trying not to ruin the meme any further.
People donate blood, plasma, sperm and breast milk from all walks of life already. Some get paid too.
If you want it to be about a particular group in can be, but even well off people donate/get money for their bodily fluids.
Donation is one thing completely different than selling their fluids. There’s no incentive to exploit people when there’s not a payback in cash.
Males do not lactate if human. Some others do. Humans males might suffer from Galactorrhea as well as some females.
I once went to an ice cream fair where local women had collected their breast milk to make a breast milk ice cream. It was actually delicious
I think you just awakened something in me
Strangely, there exist those who would find it to be the furthest thing from strange, jsyk
So a few years a go, an old friend i was visiting asked if i wanted cream in my coffee. She checked the upstairs fridge, then went downstairs and came back with glass of milk. Halfway through my coffee i started to wonder why she was hiding a grin. Yes, she had a three month old.
That’s really fucked up to do to someone without telling them
Google “hucows”
That’s gonna be a no from me dawg lmao
But from a non consusual women is fine. Gotcha.
Not exactly lol I was thinking from a consensually milked livestock but it’s all a little weird sounding isn’t it? Lol
It is. That’s why I’ve been vegan for 8 years now…
Only a little strange?
Human milk is only really strange to us because we normalized drinking cow milk. I see no reason why it’d be odd for zotopia animals to drink cow milk as well. If anything I’d imagine they’d consider the idea of adults drinking milk childish. Irl most adult animals are lactose intolerant so I’d imagine most likely the ice cream in the movie is just sherbet. Ice cream in this universe is probably a dessert for children.
Your right, we need to start selling breast milk.
Homelander has entered the chat.
In my many years on the internet, I’ve seen my share of fucked up shit, but that scene is still by far one of the most unsettling things I’ve ever seen.
We already do that
And in ice cream form as well
What?
Baby Gaga ice cream seems to have run into legal trouble so I’m not sure if it’s still around but you can look at fansly
The nice thing about the official company is that they tested it
Well, not if the USDA has anything to say about it…
His right, your left?
We already do sell breast milk.
I’ve had human breast milk ice cream. it was ok…
oh what a cool st…🤮
It’s probably not considered weird in their society. Just another job.
Humans. Every other evolutionary species was there only humans were missing. Why? We were being farmed.
Were? We still are.
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If we’re talking a “zoo” utopia I’d imagine it involve some sort of retribution.
Oh my god it all makes sense now
What’s an “evolutionary species” versus a “species”?
“Soylent Green is people! People!!!”
“… Yeah…? What else would it be?”
Emm…plant? Plant-based icecream is a thing.
There’s no reason to invent plant milk if you don’t already consume milk. It’s a product that was designed to emulate and replace something else that already exists.
Coconut milk and cream are not uncommon ingredients in southeast Asian cuisine where dairy is an uncommon ingredient.
Dairy is common ingredient in India and we still use coconut milk or cream in some recipes
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Because nothing is ever being invented if not to replace something?
That argument is just wrong. If it was true there’d be exactly one drink and one food. Because we’d only invent something new if it was to replace the existing thing.
Yes, this argument is wrong. Which is why i wasn’t making it.
Plant milk, specifically, is something that you woudln’t think to invent unless you’re trying to replace cow milk.
It’s zootopia, most mammal drink milk, so maybe they grow up liking milk and found a way to make one using plant-based material because drinking your neighbours milk is just awkward.
Do you mean sorbet ?
No, they make imitation ice cream now - I’ve seen almond, oat, and coconut milk used. It’s more similar to real ice cream than sorbet is. There’s a noticeable difference but I actually like the imitation ice cream more because it doesn’t have the sour aftertaste I get from milk. The downside is that it’s more expensive; I’ve only ever seen it sold in the premium-priced one-pint containers.
Good to know. I only knew sorbet as alternative for lactose intolerant.
Coconut milk ice cream is actually alright.
Oat milk ice cream is pretty good too!!
So… animals can’t drink animal milk but humans can?
Humans even drink human milk. Crazy how that works
Shh don’t scare big dairy
Indeed!
They had a nudist colony in the movie where they very clearly showed rears and crotches that had nothing there. So why was Judy so flustered by their nudity? 🤔 Perhaps it wasn’t because they were naked, but that there were all freaks that lacked buttholes and genitals.
Nothing funnier than people starting to realise how weird it is to drink milk
I’m more weirded out about people thinking “breast milk” is gross, even calling it that instead of human milk is weird.
It’s not weird, is it?
It’s not, almost everyone has drunk human milk. It’s actually not that bad.
I was fucked by Nestlé and didn’t got to taste my mom’s boobs.
This guy right here officer 👆
It was not that hard… But now it is!
It’s one of those things that gets weirder the longer you think about it. Pouring some cow milk from a carton I to your cereal? Totally not weird. Beef juice squeezed from some utter, along with puss and hormones, ultra heated and squirted through a fine mesh? Pretty weird.
Yeah but everything is weird when you deconstruct it that far like I’m using my electric meat to change some pixels of light that are then beamed around the world via electromagnetic radiation so that I can send my thoughts to your electric meat
Well yeah, that’s my point. It’s good to so that sometimes though, to deconstruct things like that. Telepathic electric meat is awesome, beef juice maybe less so (I still eat cheese, and drink milk occasionally, but it is weird.)
There’s nothing weird about drinking milk.
Depends how you do it.
Almost any meat or dairy products they’d be eating would questionable in that movie. How are the carnivore animals surviving? Do they just eat tofu? Or is there some sort of population of slave animals that are kept un-evolved that are born & bred for meat/dairy products?
How are the carnivore animals surviving? Do they just eat tofu?
This is exactly what the movie explains. There’s an underground black market dealing with kidnapping and illegal meat.
Or am I confusing this with Beastars?
Pretty sure this is beastars
Extras for the movie explained that it is processed insect protein. The intelligent animals in their world are exclusively mammals. No insects or reptiles etc.
The mammals part is in the early part with the play Judy is in.
Almond milk 😅
How do you get milk from an almond? It’s fucking juice
Juice is reserved for liquids extracted from fruits and veggies. Almonds are neither, they’re nuts (well, seed really). It’s called almond milk because of it’s appearance and texture. the more you knooooow.
But if it is not extracted from them and they are not milked, how do the liquid thingy comes to be?
Almond milk itself is basically just a slurry of ground almonds and water.
So, almond milk is a tea.
No, it’s milk. The term “milk” has been used to describe white, creamy, slightly viscous liquids for centuries, and almond milk specifically is listed as an ingredient in many medieval recipes.
Or soup, we could all be talking about soup.
And enzymes! I don’t know exactly what and how, but to make a smooth plant milk we all know and not an ugly mixture of water and grinded seeds/nuts enzymes are necessary.
Water
Wdym how? Almonds are nipples of the tree. I thought everyone knew that!
Humans obviously. They just didn’t show the farms because they didn’t want to scare the children.
Probably the same as who gets milked in real life. Animals drink milk too I don’t understand why people are constantly thrown off by this, it’s just as normal if not more normal to drink milk in the animal kingdom.
Farming milk involves forcefully insemination cows to get pregnant so they produce milk in the first place. Often times in factory farming, their calves are taken away for “repurposing”. Combine that with the typical living conditions for the average milk cow and it wouldn’t be hard to imagine why people that have any idea of how the industry functions would be thrown off by this.
Imagine human women being treated like this for the milk they produce so that you get to enjoy a cheap pleasure.
We sell breast milk without forcefully inseminating women just fine, this leap of logic doesn’t make any sense. We treat cows as livestock because we view cows as animals not people, whether their treatment is cruel or not is a different irrelevant argument, but in Zootopia they’d just be seen as people and would have control over the supply so obviously cows wouldn’t be treated the same way in Zootopia as they are in real life. They’d only have to milk themselves and sell it just like when women sell breast milk in real life. If anything it’s even less weird and disturbing to think about than in real life.
In Zootopia it’s probably a job they get compensated for.
Tell me you know nothing about farming without actually saying it.
Cows and other livestock are raised in farms to raise more cows anyway. Farmers don’t keep male cows around for fun, and cows aren’t pets. All non-breeding stock gets eaten.
I’m not sure about other animals, but humans can induce lactation without pregnancy.
Your last paragraph is part of the premise of Mad Max: Fury Road
don’t compare women to cows
It’s not the drinking milk thats weird. It’s the fact that they would have to be farming milk from intelligent animals to get it. Like if cows could talk and were as smart as humans I think people would find farming milk from them a little weird.
The milk drinking is just as weird, since no other animal continues drinking milk after passing their baby state. Only humans do that.
Your comment is proof that my cat is human.
no other animal continues drinking milk after passing their baby state
any predator will eat lactating mammaries. birds and reptiles are also known to drink mammalian milk.
Not as strange as Mongolians, who drink horse blood.
no other animal continues drinking milk after passing their baby state
This is not even close to true. Even adult cows will occasionally grab a sip from another cow or even themselves.
How is it more weird to get milk from intelligent animals that are capable of giving consent?
Humans sell their own breastmilk to other humans for human consumption all the time in real life, it is completely normal for humans to drink human milk as well as the milk or other animals. The only difference in Zootopia is that every animal would be providing their milk consensually and likely selling it themselves. There’s nothing weird about that.
All mammals drink milk, that’s literally the defining biological trait of them. Hoomans are also mammals.
Almonds
Tofu
The cows. None of this is weird.
So you don’t think it’s weird to have a farm of humans that have children every 9 months and get milked in mass production?
Cows and humans are not the same animal and it’s incredibly stupid to think they are.
Ice cream in zootopia is vegan.
Can someone please explain to me what predators eat in Zootopia? Surely they can’t survive on plants alone.
Bugs, birds, reptiles. In Zootopia, only mammals are anthropomorphic.
Wasn’t there an alligator cop? And some kind of bird, as a mail carrier I think?
…Nope, all mammals. I wonder if there’s a lore thing about only mammals being highly intelligent or if there are other places with other classes of animals?
In real life when you look at the most intelligent animals on earth, most of them are mammals. It makes sense that they would achieve human level intelligence before any other class of animal.
Many of those were birds, and I’m not sure if I agree with putting ants and bees on the intelligence list. They’re behaviours are complex but not very reactive.
I didn’t see any cemeteries.
You can make a movie about people without showing any animal but show the characters eating meat.
So if in Zootopia they were eating Humans we wouldn’t see the human life stock farming. So we can’t assume they don’t eat humans.
Human beans.
Soy. The whole thing is a far right allegory for the effects of soy to reminisce society. A literal sheeple then tries to have them all muzzled when they just act according to their own natural state to get to taste real red meat. In the end the liberal vegetarians win, a dark ending for conservatives but not as dark as the abortion arc they had to cut out where the right wing fox deals with the liberal bunny killing his unborn.
Lab grown meat I assume.
