I’ve seen a few posts recently calling people out for using “they” when referring to someone with gendered or neo pronouns.
As a long time dumb guy I was under the impression that gender neutral pronouns were basically always acceptable and I’m now concerned that I have been unintentionally making people uncomfortable.
My current understanding based on context is that once someone has made their pronouns known, unless specifically included, ‘they’ is no longer acceptable. Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me out
If you normally assume people’s pronouns based on appearance, then use they/them when you’re “not sure”, you could be effectively hinting to them that they aren’t passing, which can obviously be hurtful.
But using the explicitly wrong pronouns would also seem to be hurtful.
And shy of asking everyone their pronouns - which often feels invasive - a generic pronoun seems the most polite option until it’s clear one way or another.
The important distinction is what it means for it to “be clear”. Unless someone has indicated what their pronouns are, using they/them for everyone is the polite option. But if you’re using he/him for strangers just because they’re “clearly a cis man”, you’re now imposing a transphobic bias on those whom you use they/them
Right, but OP was saying they’re using They/Them in cases of ambiguity and getting called out for it
They were called out for using they/them in cases with no ambiguity, as in, there was a known desired pronoun and they used they/them instead
The problem here is that they / them is only generic to people who speak English as a first language. In my first language, it’s a neopronoun, one that you’ll see being used if you know a lot of nonbinary people, but that’s a good deal less common than several local neopronouns. And none of these neopronouns are so common that they would come off as gender neutral, all of them will come off as “i’m assuming that person has some heavy gender thing going on”. Now, that’s something that literally goes for almost everybody i hang out with, but still, none of all the genderdiverse people i know use a gender neutral default pronoun for others, not even the majority that at least sometimes uses neopronouns for themselves, not even the ones that are the most into gender abolition.
It’s just not a thing we do around here, firstly because neopronouns are so personal and specific here, secondly because our neutral option is “none / use name”. And when we don’t know the name, we use neutral descriptors like “that person.” And that option works just as well in English, so i seriously encourage making more use of it when we’re still in a phase were all of this is in flux.
Yeah, that’s definitely the impression i’d be getting in that situation, but that situation isn’t exactly ideal to begin with. I know that there’s edge cases like people who are questioning or closeted, which make practices like pronoun circles tricky for those people because that either forces a premature outing or a self-misgendering on someone. There’s really no ideal solution that will cover all cases. But as a rule of thumb, i think we should just normalize stating your pronouns without making that something that feels coercive, and if that falls flat for some reason, i prefer pronoun avoidance over they / them, because that actually is a neutral option.