Been hearing a lot of rumblings from normal people in the warhammer community they are tired of fascists worshipping the imperium of man in their community.
is it like a human supremacist group in the lore or something like the empire in Star Wars?
another thing that nobody mentioned yet is that the imperium has the space marines who are the heavily-armoured genetically-modified superhuman special forces guys, and then the vaaaast majority of the army are the imperial guard who are mostly just conscripts with shitty guns who get sent in human wave style to die en masse
there are various themed imperial guard regiments that have distinctive uniforms and fighting styles of their planet. the most popular amongst warhammer nerds are the death korps of krieg, who resemble gas-masked wwi soldiers with a german-style helmet. purely coincidentally, they seem to be most commonly painted in feldgrau colour schemes
The Imperial guard are actually elite, well equipped troops iirc (for the most part), the cheaply armed cannon fodder are the Planetary Defense Armies. It’s just the setting is so absurd that troops wearing magical nanotech flak vests that could stop a modern tank round and use guns that could pierce modern battleship armor may as well be conscripts with matchlocks.
the death korps of krieg, who resemble gas-masked wwi soldiers with a german-style helmet. purely coincidentally, they seem to be most commonly painted in feldgrau colour schemes
So they’re actually a hodge-podge of the WW-1 factions.
The trench coat that the DKoK wear is basically just a French M1915 trench coat in a different colour (the original being in Horizon Blue). Note, however, that the contrast lining of the coat is German. The collar is also different from the French coat. The gas mask is based on the the Small box respirator (British) introduced in 1916, but is made in leather. The helmet is a Stalhelm with alterations. It has a decorative crest much like the French Adrian Helmet. The Puttees are clearly inspired by the British WW1 Puttees. Note that by WW2 these were no longer used. The Backpack and Pouches seem to be German. The Bayonet is German. The Shovel is most similar to the US M1910. This is because the shovel is normally depicted with a cross handle, and the US were the only ones to use a shovel with one of these. And lastly their war tactics generally don’t have any set style beyond WW-1 style warfare.
oh damn, schooled lol
i just see them on warhammer subreddits and shit with like “here are my death korps, they will never surrender but lay down their lives gladly for the emperor, the backstory of my company is they were betrayed in their last war by their cowardly moneygrubbing planetary commanders who made them retreat before the filthy orcs even though they were winning, and now they want to fight to restore the martial pride and honour of krieg, and secure the existence of their people and a future for krieg children, anyway here they are, i painted them in ‘field grey’ and theyre the 88th ‘free corps’ regiment, their logo is this cool symbol representing their home planets black sun”
Warhammer’s satirical roots are of a very similar nature to the original run of Judge Dredd (and it was created by writers and artists in the same social circle as the creators of Judge Dredd, in addition to just outright borrowing a ton of things from it - it would not be entirely inaccurate to describe the original version of Warhammer 40K as Lord of the Rings mashed up with Judge Dredd and turned into a space opera): despite the whacky elements the setting used to have its core satire was a bit drier, namely that it crafted this absurd world where enough people thinking bad thoughts could literally cause daemons to appear and eat everyone and aliens really were just comic book villains out to get you, a setting so extreme that it justified the Imperium’s paranoia and iron grip. Effectively it was holding up this excessive, absurd, and contrived universe and saying “this is how stupid things would have to be for these actions to be rational” in much the same way Judge Dredd holds up Dredd himself as an impossibly perfect, selfless, and incorruptible superman as a “look how impossibly dedicated and perfect someone has to be to wield this sort of power, and even there he’s the only one all the other Judges suck and the system is a wreck because it’s stupid and dysfunctional.” It could almost be seen as a sort of satirical Thermian Argument, where half the joke is how ridiculously contrived the justifications have to get to become coherent.
So obviously that gets missed and it becomes a sort of unintentional “Thermian Propaganda” to borrow the term someone else here came up with when I was trying to find a term to describe basically that phenomenon (but intentional) a couple of weeks ago, where the joke is lost and instead you’re left with a set of justifications that make the Imperium’s extremism become coherent and rational in-universe and that get taken seriously by its fans. On top of that is the fact that the Imperium is just steeped in the aesthetics of death and sacrifice and however silly and excessive it is it makes the viewer feel the emotions associated with ideas of doomed last-stands and redemptive violence, and that induced emotion is a key part of intentional Fascist propaganda because Fascism is fundamentally a warrior death-cult that reveres violence and sacrifice for their own sake (or more accurately, this is a cornerstone of Fascism and a key part of how it appeals to its would-be warrior class, because Fascism does have other fundamental attributes and other cornerstones as well).
Meaning if you write a story about the how 112th Death Brigade from Bellum IV covered themselves in pictures of skulls and fought to the last man in a hopeless battle against the space demons of Osteo IX using laser guns and building sized tanks, and their leader Colonel Bonehammer died setting off his own grenade when he was surrounded after getting his chainsaw stuck in a megademon’s head, even if the intent is that this is all very silly and pointless you’re still writing a story about soldiers covered in Fascist iconography dying “glorious” deaths in a battle against monsters and sacrificing themselves in acts of redemptive violence for a greater cause. It’s like the old saying that you can’t make an anti-war movie because even if the point is to showcase pointlessness and horror you’re still making a spectacle of it and making the audience feel things and even if those things are sorrow and anger they’re still consuming the media to feel those things and so despite being negative emotions they still satisfy and please the viewer.
Its numberless legions of soldiers and zealots bludgeon their way across the galaxy, delivering death to anyone and anything that doesn’t adhere to their blinkered view of purity. Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours – or in the countless manufactorums and hive slums that fuel the Imperial war machine. All of this in slavish servitude to the living corpse of a God-Emperor whose commandments are at best only half-remembered, twisted by time and the fallibility of Humanity.
Warhammer 40,000 isn’t just grimdark. It’s the grimmest, darkest.
The Imperium of Man stands as a cautionary tale of what could happen should the very worst of Humanity’s lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia set in. Like so many aspects of Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium of Man is satirical.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/
Jesus Christ.
The difference between the empire in Star Wars and the Imperium is that the Imperium is essentially inescapable.
It has endured for 10,000 years, it has a million worlds. Non-human intelligence is mistrusted at absolute best. Separatism is not tolerated, Alderon was just Tuesday morning, and probably literally a quadrillion people thought they deserved it anyway. Communications and travel can take hundreds of years depending on the conditions, so a response fleet might not even arrive in your lifetime, or your children’s lifetime, but it will come, and even a low estimate of the Imperiums levy would mean they command around a trillion soldiers.
Basically the Imperium of Man is a suffocating, unstoppable, grinding hate machine.
It is human society twisted into eternal, nightmarish, inescapable horror.
The Imperium of Man is simultaneously invincible and on the brink of collapse at the same time. It’s one of the disadvantages of a setting meant for wargames instead of a tabletop game where you create your own narrative: because the players don’t want their preferred faction to become obsolete, the setting is in stasis. Nobody can win or lose in any way which matters.
…Old figurines become obsolete anyways due to better stuff coming out. Gotta make the dosh.
The Imperium of Man is simultaneously invincible and on the brink of collapse at the same time.
Ironically (or probably not a coincidence) the fascist propaganda; “We’re powerful and unbeatable” but also “We’re falling apart and being destroyed”.
Luckily almost all the major xeno and chaos empires also suck majorly and are evil machines. The only major redeemable ones are Tau, who are lawful good (also based, prob better than modern humanity irl) & Orcs who are chaotic neutral and just vibing. Everyone else is evil evil evil.
Torture elves. God enslaving undead machines. Universe consuming biomass swarms. Filth demons. Chaos Demons. War demons. Sex demons are less cool than they sound. Imperium men but possessed by demons and even more evil than before somehow.
Also something that’s implied but never really mentioned in the Warhammer 40k universe: the warp is evil, and there is no good warp to counteract it. It’s built into the fabric of the world to be evil. The truth of reality is evil. Very lovecraftian hellworld, fighting against the truth and being good requires you to be naive.
The Tau are the only good guys and they basically have no warp connection at all, they only believe in science and their collective good. They censor and ignore a portion of reality, their society and ideology requires it.
It’s what would happen if you took a DnD universe and magic system but then just removed all the good planes and all the good gods, even the neutral ones too. A cursed, doomed world that hopefully is not prophetic.
Necrons hate the warp and have the technology to close it.
Sincerely, a Necron player
Close it then already
When the stars are right
In one of the PC games that’s the Necron faction’s ending! They totally pull it off!
The warp wasn’t inherently evil, I thought, it’s just the swirling manifestation of conscious and sentient thought. It wasn’t so bad until the Eldar orgied themselves a deamon god into existence and then the other three came from humans, apparently, doing so much evil they spawned chaos gods too. It’s been bad for so long that it’s become self-reinforcing, but the God-Emperor had some kind of plan to reset it or something I dunno.
All the Chaos Gods have an inverse “good” aspect to their portfolios too, Tzeentch isn’t just betrayal and evil plans but also Hope, Nurgle isn’t just pestilence and death but also Love, Slaneesh isn’t just lust and hedonism but Beauty and I think Khorne was supposed to have Courage or something. The more “good” parts could be cultivated but the galaxy has been broken for so long that it’s hard to say if anything good could ever come of the warp and if they’re not better off just having the Tyranids eat everything and wipe the slate clean.
im losing my mind at lust and hedonism being considered an equivalent evil to rotting to death and eternal war
I had an idea. What if the Dark Eldar went Monsters Inc and made everyone laugh to save their owns souls from Slaanesh?
Did I just noblebright the Dark Eldar?







